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Post by B13S on Mar 17, 2016 9:02:05 GMT -8
Alright, so, I wanted to create a discussion about this to inform a personal project my character is likely to undertake at some point.
1. Can an actually intelligent droid be force sensitive?
2. Can force manipulation be detected in reality before an effect actually occurs?
3. Is the force simply Space magic?
4. If midichlorians do not exist, is there any reason force sensitivity is limited to organic beings?
Addendum, I do not plan on making my character a force-sensitive droid. I simply intend on experimenting with the force/droid interaction.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2016 21:39:27 GMT -8
Before I do begin, this post is purely based on my own personal feelings and thoughts on the matter, and so, should not necessarily be taken as anything more than that.
to answer your first couple of questions, first an answer is needed for the second two questions. For me, there is no IF midichlorians do not exist, it's simply a matter of they don't exist and never did, and that sole mention in episode I was just a mistake, because the Force is basically space magic and well beyond the bounds of understanding. Now, with that in mind, it would be impossible for an intelligent droid to be force sensitive, shy of them being an Iron Knight, which is basically just a droid housing for a Shard. Now, there is a very good reason a droid can't be force sensitive, and that is because (aside from there being no canon evidence to support an AI being able to do this) as I said, the Force is beyond our understanding, meaning that we have no way of emulating an artificial way of controlling it.
Canon has shown that only organic beings can manipulate the force, we've never had any specific reason why, only that it is one of the core mechanics of the star wars universe. As far as Force Manipulation being detected, I dont believe there is any technology that can do it, but, certain things would be evident if the force was affecting them to an extent, like something rattling of its own accord if someone was moving it. But someone else might be able to correct me on this if there is a tech on wookieepedia.
that's about all I can think to add to the discussion at the moment, so yeah.
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Post by B13S on Mar 18, 2016 0:22:29 GMT -8
My only oppositional thought would be if the force is not a property of being organic then it's not something that is requisite. (Shards are inorganic sentient crystals.) The property of having a will is what seems to be required to manipulate the force, not even to a large degree. (In reference to several force manipulating animals.) Droids, by in large, could not be considered to have a self motivated will to the degree that most assume creatures to have, no matter how independent they seem.
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Post by John Darklight on Mar 20, 2016 16:11:07 GMT -8
Even if an intelligent droid cannot be force sensitive, an AI's journey to understand the meaning of life & the force sounds like one hell of a story. Now for the matter of Midichlorians, i would have to agree with Prarr on that one.
This is slightly off topic but i like to think that the term Midichlorians was invented by someone who was not force sensitive, like Republic scientists to get a better understanding of the force. That would actually sort of explain how they began using Kyber crystals to charge their superweapons and other technology because they definitely did their research before using it as a power source.
I do believe a droid can be manipulated by the force, (( TFA MINOR SPOILER --> )) for example i don't think it was a coincidence that R2-D2 turned on when he did. How many years did he shut down? It's not a coincidence, it was at the moment when the plot was unfolding when he returned. I believe it was Luke who felt like it was time to come out of exile and reached out to R2 so he could help the Resistance find him. That says a lot and i do think it would half answer your question since R2 is a mere Astromech droid and it was no accident that he was both Anakin & Luke's droid. Though that just says a droid can be manipulated by the force, it is not attuned with the force nor can it wield it. A highly intelligent AI is a whole other story.
In the end i think it comes down to what is and what is not connected to the natural cycle of life & death or just nature altogether. I'll be honest, the entire time i have been writing this i have been stopping to think about it, I've been changing my mind constantly and i realized i sort of answered that question in a way already. If Kyber crystals are attuned with the force and can power technology....then there is no reason why it could not power a highly intelligent droid. That would be just another form of manipulation by the force though, so yeah.
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Post by Darth Belial on Mar 20, 2016 16:57:39 GMT -8
Sadly, I don't think that Force Crystals could power inanimate technology. To me, it's more of a focusing lens, much like what's in place with a lightsaber and a blaster rifle, rather than a power source in general. With an outside source, being a Shard or something made by someone to be deeply connected to the Force. (Force Imbued Crystals, since I doubt Weapons were the only thing to be blessed with this loving curse.) there isn't enough proof to say that a Synthetic can and is powered solely by the force, or that the Droid could even manipulate the Force on some level. Be they highly intelligent or not, a Droid is a Droid and without that metaphysical connection - there simply cannot be any plausible route a Synth could manipulate the Force without being an Iron Knight.
If that changes and Canon proves us wrong in this matter, well, we can choose to accept it or continue on with sticking to our beloved EU/Legends.
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Post by B13S on Mar 20, 2016 21:42:28 GMT -8
My only question is that either your arguing that organic beings possess something that allows them access to the force, (such as midichlorians) or they do not. Right?
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Post by Darth Belial on Mar 21, 2016 4:41:12 GMT -8
Whether you accept it or not, Midichlorian's are what connect Star Wars Organic's to the Force. And that's far from the point I was trying to bring up in this discussion with my last post.
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Post by B13S on Mar 21, 2016 9:02:19 GMT -8
Oh, I wasn't responding to the whole post. Your point is a valid one, there is no information at hand, and this conversation is purely for speculation.
All the other arguments have been "Midichlorians don't exist and we don't like them....There must be some thing that behaves identically to midichlorians."
I suppose this is where you come when the universe doesn't want to explain a phenomena scientifically, but you don't subscribe to notions that are non-scientific. Heh. I'm happy with accepting "Its Space Magic, but you must be biological to wield it." and moving on. Saying anything else would be taking far too many liberties.
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