The Galactic Empire

Actually, I also chose the Works and The Senatorial District to also set-up and make attacks on (though they would be harder to do anything about since the targets are lower profile and lack the security of 500 Republica), and also have three groups of commando's using documents to gain access to three Military Compounds to utilize some military transports to get up to the Stenax moons (using forged documents that originate from a secret military branch, designed to look real enough, that coupled with some social engineering, would be quite effective)

ok, answered in the Galactic City.

I am not sure you will like it, but it was the only explanation on how 500 armed, armoured enemy combatants could just walz through customs.

yeah.... I kinda like the walz word. If you want, I can start using Polka.

Polka through Customs...

Ummm, what?

Seriously Zhan, posting shots fired in the arrival post is just bad form. It's a surprise attack, your enemies responses will haphazard, you didn't need to post the opening shots just yet, but whatever.

Panno... you do realize that Zhan is JAMMING right? that means either your holo-projectors are showing a lot of static OR he only thinks he's jamming. You two need to figure something out here. The simple solution is to have Zhan forgo jamming the short-range communications. Also Zhan, your opening shots can be practically ignored, as your jamming will interfere with your sensors just as much as, if not more than, Sel's, which makes accurate shooting nigh on impossible unless your jamming is actually just an illusion... so most of your shots are probably targeting phantoms.

Sigh... why oh why didn't anyone think this through for a moment? Those two posts were perhaps the most disappointing I've read in a while, and both from Writers I never thought would miss something so... obvious. IDK, maybe I'm over-reacting, not everyone enjoys the study and application of military history as much as I, so perhaps those were honest mistakes, in which case I apologize for the rant, I just thought we were better than all this.

Even in my own very aggressive interception of an unidentified ship over Kuat, I haven't fired yet, as none of my weapons are currently ready to fire. They need time to charge and my targeting computers are still gathering the data necessary to plot accurate shots from the frigate, while my fighters are closing rather haphazardly and with extreme haste, which will cause most of them to over shoot after the first pass. Maybe I'm just weird but I was taught to fight by writers who have been fighting since 1.0; some of whom gained substantial notoriety for their skill at such conflicts. And nothing you two, Zhan and Panno, just posted over Coruscant reflects the co-operative, organized, thought out and sound planning I have come to expect from this group of writers. Can we try to not write nonsense that ends up just getting post cut and/or ignored please? Just a little effort to understand what exactly it is you're doing and how it affects you, as well as your foes, would be awesome right now.

Irrelevant, could it happen those unindentified ships over kuat.... are mine?

Kinda stopped checking it since.... I didnt get an answer for a long time lol.

first off: "the co-operative, organized, thought out and sound planning I have come to expect from this group of writers" I'm sorry, but weren't you one of the two people behind that "senate trial" nonesense that lead into this? sounds like a whole lot of co-operative, organized, thought out and sound planning went into that....
btw, its Zahn, not Zhan.

Honestly, you can be disappointed all you like in my chosen style of attack, after all, different strokes for different people, you might prefer to post at a slower rate, but that is your choice my friend. Give yourself a pat on the back for being taught by people writing fights since 1.0, but ya know, that's your chosen style for combat, just like I have my own style of combat.
To be honest, I feel a somewhat similar disappointment to what you feel every time i read a lot of the Republic's writing, especially in the Senate Rotunda. Sinistra at least understood the impact of political actions, these so called Senators... lets just say its like they selectively watched parts of TV shows with politicians and were like "yeah, we are all conniving evil bastards that can get away with saying and doing anything without any retribution".

Honestly, I'm cool with a post cut or two, it keeps things interesting. I do like to harken back a little to the days of 1.0 with regards to the unorganized and unplanned side of things, JvS has gotten a little too bogged down with overplanning. But some people enjoy plans, me? i'm a bit more like the joker, i dont really do a lot of planning, at least OOC, IC there is a bit of planning.
Also, considering the range, i do not doubt some of, if not most of it, misses its target, honestly, i'd be a little disappointed if I took out Sel and his flagship in the opening volley, it would be rather anticlimactic. I know exactly how my actions affect me, and my foes. The fact you feel the need to try lecture me about using your style, is quite disappointing, especially considering the post you made as Darma in the Republic... to whit, I will reiterate my response there, got a problem with something I did in a post or need something clarified, then feel free to PM me about it. I do rather dislike having to air such grievances in the public threads.

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No need to get angry. You dont agree with him. He doesnt agree with you. Personally I am all for the whole lets fight I dont care about the techno jargon before hand. Others do. Personally I dont see the problem. There was like what, 2 days between the first two or three posts on the planet and no response. That is a lot of time. Especially if someone said something before. Its keeping it moving.

So lets be constructive instead of feeding the fire shall we

Takes off his important person hat

Lack of conduct, not communication.
I would like to ask you to take in consideration every point we are trying to wave in front of your eyes, not just the ones you can patch a hafhazard comment on.
What I will write now is not out of anger, but out of wish to help a fellow writer. I may have a special style to my formulation, and if it looks like I am either angry, or just using too forward and blunt language it is because I dont want to write a wall.

CUSTOMS
A Vanish 2 is awesome, it is true, it is. I read the article. It comes in every size, and can be applied to make an armour, an E11 and a granade launcher plus spare ammo, med kit, calming teddy bear, pictures of loved ones and german hardcore porn collection look like empty space. Yes, it is exactly what it is made for.
In a world where this technology exists, the customs officers would look for EXACTLY this kind of "ANNOMALY". It may have a little ounce of chance that ONE crate goes by on a 20 000 head civilian flight, sure, but not 500, nor 200-whatever that you later stated. (again, not caring if the number was present on a planet-thread far far away). It is not plausable in a world where war and terrorism has been a constant problem. Not in Star Wars, and guess what, not in ours either.

A second point: please, when reading a WOOKIE article, dont just take the pros from it, but consider its cons. you are claiming you had 200 something Vanish 2-s? Here is a line taken strait from the article.

"With installation costs in the millions of credits, the Vanish 2 was extremely expensive; "

Millions. Meaning at least 2 million, but may be more. You are seriously telling me your character, a military person, would rather spend 400 million(minimum, but might even be around 5-600 M) on hardware that has a minimal chance of success (because of above point) instead of....... about 3-4 fully operating and shiny Imperial I-class Star Destroyers (and maybe even have money to mann and equip them for an full assault).
Also, where would he have gotten cash like that? I know we dont have a fully working eco-system (haha, pun) but still, use your common sense. Military people live off the budgets they get from the civilian goverment. I dont really think you get a billion just like that to spend on a badly planned suecide attack.


TRACKING SAID CRATES
As I said in my post, I am neither a customs officer, nor a chemist. I dont know what customs officer use, but I did have an aquantant that informed me of substances used in quasi the same way. A suspicious packadge is marked, and then a helicopter or other vehicle is following the target. They see the target with special sensors like goggles or special camera... and follow it to the destination it is going to. THen, bag the perps, question them.
How can this be done with a highly advanced SCI FI spaceship? Filter the sensors to only show the substance the targets were marked with. THen, apply the city map in a virtual enviroment in the same scale as the targets are shown.
It was an idea, Maybe someone can give a valid argument against it, I would accept it if it IS valid. Why I did this, was because you blatantly bypassed any kind of customs not caring for the defenders to answer, and moved strait to the vital places of the planet with explosives to blow half the city up.

SIZE OF ATTACK AND POLITICS
When I was first against this attack in this very thread, you told me that it would be a small scale thing, that could easily be disreguarded from Imperials, and would not... you know.... look like a god damned declaration of war. I dont remember the exact words, but this was what stayed in my memmory as a summary.
What did you do next? Wrote 1500 full grown Imp soldiers marching past customs, and then attacking the goverment, the infrastructure (works) and any kind of reinforcements that could come to aid (the army bases) Sure, the idea is nice, but it is a declaration of war.
Why is this a shit idea Politically? People get captured. Thats just how war is. People break. People speak. Thats just how war is. Soldiers also tatoo their battalions on their skin. Those doesnt even have to break, just... "LOOK! An IMP!".
Then a full fledged Fleet Assault? Where is the "Little attack to make them pay"?
So, attacking without the order of the emperror, sure... if it was 20 guys and a sling, he could just say "I have no idea who these poeple are.... I had nothing to do with it". A full fleet and a ground assault force? It either looks like the Emperor ordered a war on the republic (wich I would have remembered) or he has total lack of controll over his forces, and is a clown with red nose and inflatable baloon animals.
Not to mention makes the entire Empire look like dumbasses. IC and maybe even OOC.

OOC CONDUCT, GENERAL RP RULES, AMATURISM
Well, how does an attack start on JvS nowdays kids?
First, you inform the attacked party about your intention OOC (OOC CONDUCT), or at least the fact that you have posted your arrival post to the planets threads if its a suprise attack (both IC and OOC), so the good defending people can react something to it, even if it is "The Civilian Pessanger Freighter is let through orbit". Common god damned courtesy.
Then? What if I want to Infiltrate?
Well, informing the attacked party that you have infiltrated, and actually have a gun at every senators head, a bomb at every holding wall is not really how this works. You Have to detail how you are getting through each defence that is set up exactly against infiltrations. Like..... erm....... what was that C word again.... CUSTOMS! Just because you think you have a working idea that doesnt justify you to doublepost, or ignore the existence of the opposition, then crawl up from the toilet just as they are about to sit down.
Why this entire RP is a headache right now, is the fact that you Zahn have bypassed every security point that would have been there, by common sense, and did never give a chance to the defenders to react. If I dont accidentally see that you posted and answer it, you would have set bombs in the WOrks and the 500 republica.
Amaturism?
Dont write the defenders defences yourself. Thats just disgusting, and discouriging, and low. Getting past Customs? That was EXACTLY that. Getting to vital parts of the Works, 500 Republica? EXACTLY THAT. If this is your style of writing, then its name unfortunatley is AMATURISM.
Also the argument " You are not posting as fast as I do, so I can do more" is fucking bullshit, and you know it. Its childish, and we as a site has grown out of this.
If you want to write a story where Zahn attacks and destroys the republic on Coruscant, go to the JotW.

SIZE OF ATTACK, AGAIN
Detail.
One cant write 1500 soldiers infiltrating all through Coruscant in Detail, and its extremely hard to write them doing five different missions. It gets shitty, and it didnt work.
There was no detail on how many exactly went to each location, how they were formed, in how many vehicles, etc etc. It would have been a clusterfuck, and it is now. I am sure it can be done, but it wasnt now.

FLEET BATTLE
I had written a fleet battle tuttorial on the old site, I dont remember if I reposted it here, but I god damned hope I did, because you need to read it.
What Irrelevant wrote is ..... rellevant (lol, pun again!). But, seeing from your response, just nitpicking.
What you dont understand is that this is not about STYLE, but how this shit works in Forum Based RP. You do something (coming out of hyperspace) you let the other party react to this. The other party usually detects this (or not, but still posts about it) sends allarm blarring, charges weapons and aims in, if weapons were charged, they shoot, but this is very rarley a case. Next post you charge your weapons, shields, release fighters, activate special equipment (like sensor jamming, that WILL effect your enemy AND YOU). The defender answers with his post, either asking what the fuck you are doing, or shoots at once. Only then can you start shooting like a damned crazed person, and have your fighters actually do anything (because guess what, disembarking from a ship takes time too) and the battle can start.
This is not style, this is COMMON FORUM BASED RP RULES for fleet battles.


SO...... Constructive Criticism, was it? As in, not telling you in what ways you have been releasing rubbish posts, but how it could be good? Lets rock.

PREPARATION. IC and OOC
You, as a writer, can read what defences and fleets are in Coruscant orbit. But your Character cant. He could have ran into fifteen fleets, since its the REPUBLIC CAPITOL. So, what do you do? You either recon it, or ask the local Intelligence (spying, for those that dont know) agency.
Go to Bateman. He would tell you what he knows, or ask you to wait for a couple of days before he gets his agents on the task, and gives you a report.
If you RECON, make sure the Defending writers know your intentions, and will answer your posts when you well write them. Tell them OOC you are coming.

INFILTRATION
You know at least something of what will wait for you? Awesome.
Again, try to find a way to get weapons past the customs. Either get there yourself with your forces, and try to buy them on the black market (dangerous, because of police forces, and not knowing the local underground, because how would you?) or again, ask the local Spy. Ask Bateman. he has agents there, and could surely get them (if I ever get to write those posts instead of arguing OOC) to either buy the weapons for you, or get your people in contact with those that sell it.
So....... you maybe just get various small arms, and just a couple granades and some home made explosives, but at least you can just stroll through customs with your flower painted undies and a smile on your face. Operating behind enemy lines usually dont get you the top-end equipment.
Where to get ID papers that dont get you arrested is an other story (one I am actually working on).
Also, not 1500 people. 10, at max 20. Its infiltration, not ethnic migration.

PICK A TARGET. ONE.
It will be more detailed, and a better attack. Recon it, or have Batemans agents wait for you with pictures and shit after reconing it. That is why they are there, to help you military fools get yourselves killed more effectively for the cause. Recon it, and then Plan the attack again. let the Defenders write their defences, and NOT YOU WRITE THEM FOR YOURSELF.
With knowing what you are up against IC, NOT JUST OOC, you will get better results. At leas that is what Zun Tsu would say, if he ever had Internet.

PLAN
Plan.

EXECUTE ATTACK
Execute the Attack. It may fail. It may succeed. Dont bitch if it fails. I have had attacks (just like this) Fail and succeed. Had fun with both.



Your current one is failing both IC and OOC.
I am still open for a restart, and I am still enthusiastic about it. I can help with Bateman and his agents on your side, and we ask someone else write the Republic side of things. Sounds coolio?

My situation, in terms of homework and my cold, has somewhat improved. So I will be a little more active.