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Post by Grand Admiral Jenssar Bane on Nov 1, 2014 20:21:03 GMT -8
Fair, that's what I thought, and Pellaeon doesn't really care IC so long as he doesn't end up with the paper work. Oh, I am sure that paper work like underwear does not exist in Star Wars .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 1:57:48 GMT -8
Since I'm still waiting on a response from Atia (whether it be IC or OOC), I'll address Irrelevant's/Darma's points... On the subject of radiation: There are multiple kinds of radiation, some of which are very easy to track, but hazardous in large doses, others that have little to no effect on organic life, like the mind used by MDs today to highlight certain organs to see if an operation is required and/or what kind of operation is required, as well as stuff that's actually just light, but considered to be radiation do to the damaging effects it can have in high concentrations. The former would be highly regulated, and NOT widely found all over Coruscant because of it's massive population. So it would be very easy to use and follow, unless you decided to head to the lower levels, which would draw it's own attention to your men. Certain radiation sources would indeed be highly regulated to be sure, but on a planet like Coruscant, I doubt that you would not find a number of sources using the regulated radiation source. On top of that, assuming customs regularly tracks suspecious packages (which as I have pointed out would not actually include the 225 crates that my men brought through), how would they differentiate each tracked source from one another? especially when you have entire cities worths of people coming through at any one moment, and especially considering there is a handful of technologies in SW that would work more acurately. Also: "unless you decided to head to the lower levels". That is kind of the idea of me explaining repeatedly the multiple levels of Coruscant and the numerous buildings and tunnels that would be within the Galactic City area alone. The amount of inteference for acurately tracking a radiation source would be ridiculous... On reading Profiles: All information found on a profile is strictly OoC info. If he'd used information found only on your profile to write a response to your forces, he would then be guilty of meta-gaming. I find your suggestion that he should meta-game to help things flow, annoying to be honest. In times past, such suggestions have come from writers to lazy to put detail into their posts, I hope that is not the case here. (the fact that this discussion is still going is evidence that you are not a lazy writer) Lazy? no. Tired of dealing with writer's who fail to comprehend things properly? yes. At no point did I say to entirely use information found only on my profile, I was merely pointing out that it could be used as an aide to clarify any OOC misunderstandings he might have felt about the size of my forces. You call me amatuerish for some of my moves, and yet turn around and pull even more amatuerish moves by solely reading only a post or two and from that, only read a few lines, without taking the time to do some research on previous posts or checking profiles to check size of forces or any set up RP from an OOC side to make sure you, as the writer, understand how things stand. I'll admit, perhaps I was at fault for not constantly repeating myself over and over again about certain details, but then I thought the people I was writing against would do some homework, just as I did, on the person they are facing. I mean, Atia and yourself have both spouted that you are good fleet writer combatants, and one of you has boasted that you wrote a "super awesome fleet battle guide", but yet have not taken the time to ensure that you as a writer have used every source available to you to make sure you understand the size of what is where. On detail: I believe Sel is requesting you write through each group's infiltration of planetary security. Which may sound tedious, but it helps to avoid the appearance of trying to skirt local defenses. I tend use a format that looks something like "X men slip through completely unnoticed, Y men are pulled aside but nothing substantial is found so they are allowed through, Z men are detained, but most are cases of mistaken identity, and all but A are released after B days/weeks of being held in custody. The remainder get incarcerated for the duration of the operation." it's not perfect and won't always include all the necessary details, but it helps you think about all the outcomes, which are all happening simultaneously to various members of the group. Unfortunately you can't make one "die roll" and apply it to your entire force, which is what your post looks like. It looks like you considered all the possible outcomes and then decided that all of your men got the same result. Which is often read as sloppy writing. In this instance, you are expected to write the number of transports arriving at each location and just how many men are in those transports. Preferably listing or grouping the vehicles by number of occupants, so that the defender has a clear idea of what's arrayed against him/her. I should mention first, that the whole aim of this is to skirt local defences for my men, you dont move people in on a civilian transport if you want to engage security. Also, as far as writing each groups infiltration and numbers, I point you towards this post: jedivsith.boards.net/post/68375/thread. It has the number of vehicles at each location specified, and further clarifies how many men were where, and rolled with the (as I have mentioned several times, the very haphazard civilian scanner somehow manages to trump military masking tech move), and divvied up the masked crates across a number of the groups. As far as getting through customs, I refer you to this point in my post: ALSO: there is 30,000 people per transport, that is the population of Winsford, England per transport, with 6 of these arriving at once, which equates to 180,000 which is roughly the entire population of Knoxville, Tennessee arriving at the same time, all with their own cargo. ... (note these statistics are as of 2005) statistically, of all those civilians, the chance of any of my 1,500 guys amongst those 180,000 people getting the other outcomes is extremely low. If it had just been my 1500 guys on a ship with no one else on the ship or coming through with them, then I could see how some of them would meet these other fates, but when you account for the fact they account for 0.83333% (or 1:120th) of the overall number arriving. You need to keep in mind just how many people are all arriving at the same exact moment... On locations: The Works are entirely irrelevant, as they are no longer in use, all manufacturing having been moved off world. The senate plaza would be a very high security environment due to previous terrorist attacks against the senate in the not so distant past, though an obvious target. There was another target, I know, but I need to go write papers for school and stop procrastinating here. So I apologize for the half finished response. I hope it was done clearly and as neutrally as possible. Actually the Works are not entirely irrelevant, since there would still be places for all sorts of utilities (water, gas, electricity, etc) still located on planet there. But that is beside the point, as for the Senate plaza, well we did start engaging forces, if you'll note mine and Xeo's posts in there, where we mention shooting at what ever guards would be there.
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Post by Atia on Nov 3, 2014 9:12:30 GMT -8
ok, I will make one last attempt, and keep it short.
You posted your "infiltration", didnt care to wait for a response from the defenders, and IN YOUR POST allready started to seek out vital parts of the 500 republica and other places to put up bombs. Not to mention writing with poor detail.
I answered with what I thought was 1: funny, and also a friendly post to someone who blatantly ignored normal TEXT BASED ROLL PLAY PROCIDURES. I found a sollution to how you would get through customs with all your troops and gear, and not make the republic look like idiots. I didnt whine OOC, didnt cry nor did I call "authoroties" (do we even have those? lol)
not to mention a space post so horrible, even people in your own faction frowned on it.
THen, the arguing started, and I am tired off it.
Either you find someone else to play with, and I void my posts, or you restart and do it PROPPERLY, like, actually waiting for the defence to post.
or... continue, but I will have to rewrite my first space post, because I should have more forces then that, and you revoke yourself from the senate building. Not a chance you would be getting in there without being stopped 2 times and a third by heavy fire.
This argument has to end. It is going nowhere.
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Post by Xeonon Solomon on Nov 3, 2014 11:47:55 GMT -8
Yeah me and Jud are watching this actively *points at his HC badge* In fact he referred to himself as a Sheriff...
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Post by Galdaart Fel on Nov 3, 2014 11:49:55 GMT -8
I'm here too. Though I'm only a deputy. Play nice.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 16:15:38 GMT -8
ok, I will make one last attempt, and keep it short. You posted your "infiltration", didnt care to wait for a response from the defenders, and IN YOUR POST allready started to seek out vital parts of the 500 republica and other places to put up bombs. Not to mention writing with poor detail. I answered with what I thought was 1: funny, and also a friendly post to someone who blatantly ignored normal TEXT BASED ROLL PLAY PROCIDURES. I found a sollution to how you would get through customs with all your troops and gear, and not make the republic look like idiots. I didnt whine OOC, didnt cry nor did I call "authoroties" (do we even have those? lol) Well considering the explanation I gave, I would not think it would make the Republic look like idiots since I'm using military grade tech, and customs only has civilian grade tech. But like I mentioned earlier, I rolled with it, because things were moving, and I'm still fine to do so. Also, if you mean OOC authorities, then we do technically have them (namely PGC and the Whills). Either you find someone else to play with, and I void my posts, or you restart and do it PROPPERLY, like, actually waiting for the defence to post. or... continue, but I will have to rewrite my first space post, because I should have more forces then that, and you revoke yourself from the senate building. Not a chance you would be getting in there without being stopped 2 times and a third by heavy fire. This argument has to end. It is going nowhere. Well I tried finding someone else to write for the defence, and you weren't happy with it. And considering how long this thing has gone for now (couple weeks now, still waiting for a reply from the defence in a number of locations), I am going to opt for the continuing this as it is. Can I just say, just because you can have more, does not necessarily mean you have to have more (but that is me arguing semantics of wording). I would imagine someone with your experience would get some joy of beating my larger fleet with your 'handicapped' fleet, so to speak, but I guess if you really need more ships, then by all means go ahead, just means you view me as a worthy rival I suppose. As for the Senate building, we're not inside it yet, just in the Senate Plaza, which is outside the building itself, and open to the public, a point backed up by the Senate Plaza wiki itself: "Following the attack on Coruscant by the Sith Empire during the final days of the Great Galactic War and the signing of the Treaty of Coruscant, the Plaza was cleaned of debris and reopened to the public." "During the time of the Galactic Alliance, the plaza was restored and once more served as a massive gathering place open to the public." So in terms of your getting stopped several times analogy, we would be at the first time we are stopped. I mean we have just entered the public Plaza, so I do suspect there will indeed be many more rows of defenders before we get into the building itself. So, waiting on you Atia.
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Post by Atia on Nov 4, 2014 8:22:37 GMT -8
I will put something up on the rest. Post on 500 republica. Lobby or workers access, no difference, besides you may get some hostages in the lobby, and at the workers entry you will just be gunned down.
I really recommend restarting the Space combat, mainly because I will have to write a new defence stence for my fleet, and .................... yeah...... you basically jump in, activate all comm and sensor jamming (If I remember right, might be wrong) then attemt to make a speach, and shoot... basically you jump in blind, mute, and unknowing of whats going on. You loose all advantage. just an advice. Comms and Sensor jamming is only good for me.
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Post by Galdaart Fel on Nov 4, 2014 9:27:09 GMT -8
Atia -- is it possible to roll with it, and avoid voiding? Just to keep the flow of this going, and with the understanding from Zahn based on this discussion that your stance, retaliation, and circumstances of the engagement may change based on this OOC discussion?
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Post by Atia on Nov 4, 2014 10:50:16 GMT -8
I have two problems with the space battle..... I kinda fracked up, on an OOC part. I missunderstood the points sistem for fleet size and when I reduced my fleet I reduced it too much.
Plus.... He wouldnt like my answer, I bet.
but sure. If I can jump in the rest of my fleet in a couple posts (the ones I kinda reduced too much) I am cool with it. And yes, I would not mind to have my entire fleet present, because thats Seleevas purpouse in Coruscant Orbit.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 15:25:25 GMT -8
actually I jumped in, sent the message (using the moons to bounce it around and essentially block holonet comms), then brought the jammers online, before shooting. But essentially, yes, you got the basic elements of the attack right, just not quite the order of them. and if you wish to jump in the rest of your fleet, then that is cool.
As a side note, all the teams on the 'upper' levels will of course be in lobby like area's, so there is that....
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Post by Atia on Nov 5, 2014 8:15:04 GMT -8
all the meetings in the 500 republoca most likely will play out the same way, with someone asking "hi, who are you", and then generally the same answer coming through, then security check, and there most likely a fight will start, or even sooner.
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Post by Seleevan Khar on Nov 5, 2014 12:07:42 GMT -8
posted in orbit. rest comes in the coming days.
Not sure weather your message was supposed to be long and sent live, or just a file to be opened, but either case, we will see, and our fleets and stations are still frackload of range away from eachother to actually do nasty damadge.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 15:47:27 GMT -8
the message as Morpheus was pre-recorded and broadcasted over the air waves, being bounced between the three moons. Soon after the message was sent out originally, and likely had started playing, was when the fleet started doing it's stuff.
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Post by Atia on Nov 5, 2014 20:40:10 GMT -8
but it would still be sent out live, as in the lenght of it being transmitted?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 20:57:24 GMT -8
it was sent as a single file to play autamotically, no stream, no live content. Sorry, i'm not exactly sure what you mean by it being sent out live?
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Post by Atia on Nov 6, 2014 8:05:34 GMT -8
Will make appropriate changes. State that more clearly next time. Thanks.
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Post by Lord Jud'dayus: The Debase on Nov 6, 2014 9:52:28 GMT -8
This makes me happy.
*tears up with joy at how grown up his boys are now*
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Post by Atia on Nov 7, 2014 9:15:02 GMT -8
Then go post on Anchorage Let me beat the tear out of some exchange nobs.
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Post by Ishmael on Nov 7, 2014 12:06:44 GMT -8
The GE is still kicking, eh? Maybe it's time I came to see what all the fuss is about.
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Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Nov 8, 2014 14:12:35 GMT -8
Hello guys, sorry I have been AFK for awhile. Just dealing with school. I plan to get to replies tonight and tomorrow.
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