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Post by The Admiralty OOC on Mar 8, 2015 13:28:47 GMT -8
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As for commerce, Mandalmines needs to be repaired and Mandalmotors brought back to the forefront. Start getting some action over here. ...
Repaired? Really? As the one that thought up & created & ran* MandalMine** I'm kind of amused & vaguely insulted by that. MMC is larger & more active that it has ever has been, both IC & OOC. Admittedly, most of that RP is aimed out into the galaxy as a whole as opposed to the mando sector***. & the main reason for that is that MM cut ties with my company (I forget the exact reason, but I'm pretty sure it had to do with not wanting to be involved in one crusade or other) & then shortly afterwards fell into a massive RP void. Want more interaction from MMC & the rest of the Mando Empire (which I am going to continue calling it that, mainly because it is easier than saying "Clans, independents, & assorted business with Mandalorian focus")? Then find someone who can count to at least five & likes business RP & give MM to them. Too many past owners of MM have been that way because they were ordered to run the company. In every case it ended badly. Find a mando who likes business/politics & offer it to them, you can't force good RP out of someone. A case in point of this was the Aduph Tarkin group. The writer themselves had no head for business. However, he was very good at one thing: finding people who liked running businesses. He built a massive corporate empire out of that one skill. The only reason that group tore itself apart was that he started ignoring what people wanted to do in favour of forcing them to do what he wanted them to do. Which in turn cause the writers working for him to dislike him. They then either started abandoning him in mass or sticking around just long enough in order to plant a few knives in his back & skin him for something they wanted. The best way to run a company is to give it to someone that wants to run it & never try to take it away. Sure, you run the risk of having the writer run off & do something you don't like with it. But that is the only way to get good RP out of a business without running it yourself. & that is a risk that happens with anything you have that you need someone else to manage, regardless of what it is. * single handedly for the most part, but with minor help in places **which is now MandalMine Collective (MMC) to distinguish it from MandalMotors (MM) *** Pirate raid SLs with Beep, Medical cross-training with Icy, supply & transport for several minor groups, etc |
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Post by Cathaoir Ordo on Mar 9, 2015 16:13:39 GMT -8
Corr, Reyn and I have been talking in chat recently and I think we've come up with something of a proposition to help us all bring RP to planets with Mandalorians about and here it is. We all want RP to to return to Mandalorian worlds and to kind of restore things to how they have been rumored to have been way in the past as far as lots of writing and a way forward, don't we? However, we've realized that no matter how much it is that we try these days, it never seems to happen, but then again we try a push people to write only only Ordo or only Vhett/Fett. Only Skirata or only Or'dini and that just doesn't seem to come out quite how we want it to so lets take a step back and think of it this way.
Clans had members in multiple places in canon so why not here? Why has it come to on Mandalore is a place to mix and mingle? Why are there not Ordo's on Concord Dawn or Skirata's on Ordo? Where are the Fett's/Vhett's on Lehon? Whether it turns out to be NPCs or even me bringing one of my Mando PC's elsewhere, I plan to try and change this mentality as best I can. Corr spoken with me about doing the same thing. Hell, he's the one that brought it up with me so let's spread out and drop this mentality we've put in place with Ordo only wants to do Ordo, etc. Let's see how this works and if it doesn't then you can all blame me and throw hands in the air and chase me around with pitch forks if that'll make you feel better, but I truly think this has a shot.
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Post by Corr on Mar 9, 2015 17:34:52 GMT -8
I have, in fact, already applied this reasoning. You have visitors on Ordo, Cath. lol
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Post by Cathaoir Ordo on Mar 9, 2015 18:16:16 GMT -8
OOOOO! Visitors? Been awhile since we've had any of those. Don't know if I know how to properly welcome visitors
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Post by Corr on Mar 9, 2015 18:24:10 GMT -8
Just a quick mention of a third option for MandalMines/MandalMotors. Leave it as a free entity that people can RP with as they see fit. A few guidelines and regulations could be put in place so people don't just turn up and say "I bought 3000 tons of beskar" or "I just purchased 500 Bessies" but for the most part leave it open to be involved in storylines that come its way. People could then build storylines around corporate espionage, sabotage, terrorism, research projects, testing, trade, or whatever.
I mean, if someone does want to step up and run it then excellent but in the mean time perhaps the above would be best?
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Post by The Admiralty OOC on Mar 9, 2015 21:11:54 GMT -8
Well, for the Beskar bit.
Short version: MMC is the only source. Anyone with the support of the Helm or two clan heads can buy beskar. MMC doesn't sell the raw stuff. END STORY.
Long version: The MMC has a long standing contract/treaty with the Helm (from early 1.5 so years OOC & Decades IC. I've looked several times for the original copy, but for the life of me I can't find it. I think it might have been set up in a PM, if anyone manages to lay a hand on a copy or has a record of it I'd be very grateful to get a copy) that MandalMine Collective (still at that time just MandalMine) is the only one allowed to mine raw beskar & expected to enforce that fact, including the hunting down of anyone with large stocks of raw or worked beskar. MMC technically doesn't 'own' any of the raw material that it has. Anyone can get any piece of beskar gear made for them by getting the direct approval of the current Mandalore or (failing that) the approval of two clan chiefs. Additionally, MMC is expected to impose a price on the material, to cover 'gathering & storage'. The raw beskar needed for the item with either be smithed on site (for which purpose the admiral was trained as a smith) or provided to a credited Mandalorian smith for forging. At no time may MMC sell raw beskar to any person/group/frat house/etc with one exception. MMC can sell raw beskar to MandalMotors, which is under no such restrictions in sale or handling. The deal can only be cancelled with the agreement of the current Mandalore & the Current CEO of MMC. MMC is not allowed to deploy military forces against the Mandalore (though it is occasionally exempt from being called to war as well - though that point was fuzzy enough that a fair argument could be made that any engagement both qualifies & didn't).
Loopholes I've used in the past to annoy PGers/to help legitimate mandos that want beskar stuff: Using NPC clan heads to gather enough support (I still expect some serious RPing in the form of gathering the support though), Immediately putting a price on the person's head the second they walk out the door with the worked Beskar (ranging in price from mildly annoying to instant death sentence), Jacking the Gathering/Storage price high enough to really hurt the person trying to buy the beskar (or lowering it to the point that it is practically free), Hunting down people that GM beskar items out of thin air without any proper RPing to back it up.
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Post by Corr on Mar 9, 2015 21:22:51 GMT -8
That is not what I agreed to back then at all. It was never said that other clans could not have had raw Beskar to forge themselves and I would never have been happy with that. I may have read that wrong but it seemed to imply that MMC is a) the only entity that could mine the Beskar (something that I am not opposed to in theory) and  That MMC doesn't sell the stuff to anyone at all (something which I do not agree with at all). Also there cannot be an END STORY on this I'm afraid, especially in light of new writers and new leadership of Mandalore. I mean, IC a new deal could be formed, the new Mand'alor may disagree with such a thing and seek to change things. There is no way it can simply be a matter of MMC just saying this is how it is and thats that. A whole part of my development around Corr, his learning how to work Beskar at Cassus' forge as a boy, would be voided by such a restriction. Its just not viable to restrict raw beskar to the clans. The limiting of trade to outsiders I totally agree with and if that is what is meant then my apologies, but you are never going to get me to sign off on such restrictions to the Clans as a whole. I'm afraid that bit about no time may MMC sell to any person/group/frat house/etc just doesn't fly for me. |
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Post by The Admiralty OOC on Mar 9, 2015 21:33:34 GMT -8
Technically MMC isn't selling it at all, but you miss the point (or maybe I didn't explain it well). Anyone can get beskar. If doesn't matter if you are a clan member, head of a clan, or even a jedi. You still have to jump through the same hoops. As for the raw bit, most of that was covered OOC by saying that MMC kept a nice, steady (if small) supply of beskar flowing to MandalMotors who then turned around & sold it to various & sundry smiths raw (after all, MandalMotors didn't have any of the same restrictions). This was mainly in place to cover those that didn't want to deal with all that headache so they could have a beskar beard comb or such, while still keeping people from trying to claim they outfited their army that way.
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Post by Corr on Mar 9, 2015 21:39:14 GMT -8
So its funneled out via MandalMotors in small amounts? Okay. I guess I can live with that though my point still stands that I really don't think that such a rule can be in force now without complete agreement on the part of the Mando writers. Its not fair to stick to an agreement made that long ago without offering input from those it directly affects. I mean, otherwise we'll just have people just saying hell no and doing what they want. Are you then really going to chase down each one either IC or OOC and pull them for writing they had besar ore? What if I wanted to implements star fighter production on CD and stated that I had beskar to make ships with? How would it be enforced?
Its not really a big thing and would not affect many writers at all but its the ethics for want of a better term. Something about it just rubs me the wrong way. I am not so much opposed to the idea as I am concerned other may be, if you get what I mean?
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Post by The Admiralty OOC on Mar 9, 2015 21:50:13 GMT -8
The main points in favour for it are tradition & being a one stop shop for it (as well as making simple & fair, if not easy for anyone to get it & making it much easier to keep people from BSing something). The main points against it are you technically have to go through me to get it (though there is a nice large built in loophole) & OOC reason in that MandalMotors is currently a wasteland.
I'm not sure whether it has been my fairly lax enforcement (even if I see someone using 'GMed' beskar, I tend to let them be unless they are seriously abusing it) or that fact that most mandos don't know about the deal (again, see the note about lax enforcement) but I really haven't had any complaints about the current deal (or at least no complaints have been sent to me or been mentioned to me). I used to enforce it a lot more before the shift to 2.0, but with the serious cut in site size, population-wise, there mainly hasn't been a need for draconian enforcement.
edit in response to corr's edit: If I wanted to be really annoying, I could show up with a fleet or army anywhere someone is throwing around beskar ore, but seriously, that is a troll thing to do & would just annoy everyone (myself included). With the resource MMC has & as dispersed as it is, I even have a reasonable IC claim on how I knew to show up there (again, not something I would do because it would suck).
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Post by Corr on Mar 9, 2015 21:54:12 GMT -8
That's true. Yeah to be fair it shouldn't be much of an issue. Fair enough. I suppose an "if it ain't broke don't fix it" can apply here. It was the possibility for problems that concern me but its a far fetched worry really. Not as if we can't talk about it if there ever is a concern.
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Post by Cathaoir Ordo on Mar 10, 2015 6:47:17 GMT -8
Glad Corr asked the question before I did, saves me the writing, but yeah I basically had his same thoughts and feelings in the regard of how that had been previously written. However, with the explanation now, I'm good with it, though it'll be hard to regulate legitimately imo passed the laxness that Admy has done so already cause if you just show up with an army or whatever to try and blow the hell out of someone for simply owning beskar, not having gotten it through either MMC or MM, it'd like piss someone off majorly. Now GMing/PGing is another issue, but now im rambling, so i'll stop.
Anyways, to add on, if that previous agreement cannot be found, then perhaps we should draw up a new one and have it saved as to not be lost and so its know the avenues one should go through to obtain the stuff.
Anyways thats my 2 cents for now
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Post by The Admiralty OOC on Mar 10, 2015 7:50:27 GMT -8
That isn't a shabby idea, Kitten. We might even frame it IC as a reaffirmation of the original treaty/contract. Maybe part of the 50th reunion celebration or something?
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Post by Cathaoir Ordo on Mar 10, 2015 7:58:33 GMT -8
Fair enough. I'm up for it. just put out the word and i can be there if im needed
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Post by The Admiralty OOC on Mar 10, 2015 8:14:13 GMT -8
Well, it would be between Aya (the current CEO) & Spectre (the current helm). Then there would likely be other dignitaries, such as the now retired admiral/maybe the head of MandalMotors if we can get one/various clan heads/so on. Then after that the rest of the crowd will be whoever else we can stuff in the 'baat with the 'bigwigs' because the only proper way to celebrate something as a mando is get roaring drunk (& because the mental image of that main major figures signing a deal that important on a bar's counter makes me giggle).
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Post by Cathaoir Ordo on Mar 10, 2015 12:12:27 GMT -8
Well Clan Heads.....guess that means me.
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Post by Jaccien Ordo on Mar 10, 2015 12:46:08 GMT -8
It's always good to come to this thread to see some progress between writers!
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Post by Cathaoir Ordo on Mar 24, 2015 16:05:30 GMT -8
Okay I haven't really seen much as far as whats going on outside of Ordo of late as far as the Mandalorians are concerned. I know that Myself, Corr, Aer and Sidara have somewhat of a spontaneous SL going on on Ordo and I'm about to bring my other Mando to CD to kind of spur up some spontaneous stuff there, but what have we got for RP around the Mando space and other Mando worlds? I'm really to write some NPCs places if only to get the Mandalorian SL moving again
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Post by The Admiralty OOC on Mar 24, 2015 16:18:47 GMT -8
Kitten, you want some 'hot' NPC on NPC action? XD Because I can throw some D'Ordinii into a little SL if you want (any type of SL, really).
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Post by Cathaoir Ordo on Mar 24, 2015 16:28:35 GMT -8
more or less, I just want to see the Mando planets like Mandalore, Ordo, CD, Lehon, etc get some action of some kind. That's all. Completely up to you the SL and also where.
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Corr Vhett - puts the "Laughter" in "Manslaughter"..... 
That MMC doesn't sell the stuff to anyone at all (something which I do not agree with at all). Also there cannot be an END STORY on this I'm afraid, especially in light of new writers and new leadership of Mandalore. I mean, IC a new deal could be formed, the new Mand'alor may disagree with such a thing and seek to change things. There is no way it can simply be a matter of MMC just saying this is how it is and thats that.