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Post by Kaine Australis on Jul 6, 2017 4:52:42 GMT -8
The death of the EU.
Still stings if I think too hard or read one of the old stories, but I don't get the pang of loss when I think about Star Wars anymore.
Does that mean Darth Disney won? I certainly still dislike Episode 7. Does that mean i'm old?
I still think the EU was a better story than the new canon. I suppose you can't really judge till 8 and 9 are out, but the new books aren't anything near as good as the old. The one i've most enjoyed was the novelization of Force Awakens because it explained SO much the movie didn't, it actually made me enjoy watching the movie a little more too. Every other novel has been worse than the Jedi Prince Ken storybooks. (i realise this is probably slightly subjective..)
Thoughts, anyone?
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Post by Alaric Lamar on Jul 6, 2017 11:01:01 GMT -8
I'm not going to get over it, but a whole new generation is going to be exposed to it and be as passionate about the new lore as I am about the old.
I guess I just hate the idea of Disney taking something that felt like it was *ours* and then re-writing it, changing the collective experiences that we've all had as we've suffered through the trash of luke falling to the darkside and palpatine getting resurrected twice, and I don't know about you, but I almost quit reading the Yuuzhan Vong books when Chewie died.. But there were also incredible moments and I guess what I'm trying to say is that in the books, video games, encyclopedias, and comics that the lore was so rich and so deep and so flushed out, that its sorta painful for me to look on Wookieepedia these days and see "Canon" pages that are only paragraphs long and then you go to the "legends" and see a plethora of knowledge, and I think this shows you how much was lost in the switch...
And who knows, maybe after years the Disney star wars will be as flushed out and developed as the EU and I'd be happy for it. But I remain skeptical
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Post by Ak-Akari Obachu on Jul 7, 2017 18:17:55 GMT -8
Mainly at this point I'm just annoyed that they made a few characters who are very similar to equivalent EU characters, but changed the name rather than just keeping it as a nod to fans. Even if they changed parts of those characters, does it really hurt to acknowledge that history for the fans?
Other series out there reference fan works all the time, why not reference the EU when it comes up?
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Post by Adelle Bastiel on Jul 12, 2017 20:54:56 GMT -8
I'm not going to get over it, but a whole new generation is going to be exposed to it and be as passionate about the new lore as I am about the old. I guess I just hate the idea of Disney taking something that felt like it was *ours* and then re-writing it, changing the collective experiences that we've all had as we've suffered through the trash of Luke falling to the dark side and Palpatine getting resurrected twice, and I don't know about you, but I almost quit reading the Yuuzhan Vong books when Chewie died. But there were also incredible moments and I guess what I'm trying to say is that in the books, video games, encyclopedias, and comics that the lore was so rich and so deep and so flushed out, that its sorta painful for me to look on Wookieepedia these days and see "Canon" pages that are only paragraphs long and then you go to the "legends" and see a plethora of knowledge, and I think this shows you how much was lost in the switch... And who knows, maybe after years the Disney star wars will be as flushed out and developed as the EU and I'd be happy for it. But I remain skeptical For me it's quite simple. While i do love the EU, i wouldn't want these Star Wars movies to be based off of something we already know about. It would definitely be exciting to see our EU characters on the big screen as they were, but I don't think it would sit well with me knowing what was to happen already. That's just me though. One word: copyright. Sure, Disney owns the rights to Star Wars, its worlds, and lore; but authors and publishers own the books and original characters. As a fan, I'm a little sad to see the EU classified as "legends" and myths, things that may or may not have actually happened. Sure, it does sting a little. It's a little frustrating to watch new movies come out and feel like remakes of the old ones. At the same time, I understand it. The EU, as mentioned, had a lot of truly awful moments. For every Republic/Imperial Commando and Thrawn series, there was The Crystal Star and Palpatine clones. For every good X-wing book, there was a bad Yuuzhan Vong or The New Jedi Order book (can't remember if those were technically the same). And all that lore came with baggage: authors, copyrights, publishers, agents, paperwork, money. It's more cost effective to cut off official fanfiction or designate them as "legends" than to try and buy the movie rights for a book. Disney felt they could do better; they did with Rogue One, I felt. And maybe the new trilogy needs room to grow and a director that understands the feel of the OT. I don't think Abrams really understood. To be fair, (as far as I know) they've only explicitly stated that the books are legends/non-canon. I know comics are still canon and some video games are still canon. The EU's not gone; merely changing. And as long as it's there, it's something I can live with.
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Post by Kaine Australis on Jul 12, 2017 21:08:10 GMT -8
The movies, clone wars, rebels, and James Luceno's Tarkin and anything published after that is canon.
Everything else is legends.
I agree entrely with everything Adelle said.
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Post by The Major on Jul 15, 2017 19:25:02 GMT -8
The EU was very imbalanced. Just think about the Courtship of Princess Leia. Emblematic, right?
I swear that if they go with the "Rey is a refleshed Anakin" theory then I'm done.
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Post by Kaine Australis on Jul 18, 2017 4:56:12 GMT -8
Gods, but the early 90s were a desert of poor quality Star Wars books.
Ill never be done done. But i know what you mean about the stupidness. If they go with the Snoke is the grand inquisitor ill be annoyed. Lightsabers as helicopter blades. No.
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Post by Altair Sirraf on Aug 4, 2017 23:23:54 GMT -8
I personally loved the EU. But as soon as Disney put out Star Wars Rebels, I was there on the edge of my seat watching the 5 minute shorts they aired prior to the first episode broadcast that introduced the main characters... and even tho I'm not a kid any more, that show embodies what Star Wars was for me as a kid, so I don't feel like Disney has completely dropped the ball.
They continue to give us bits and pieces of the EU. Such as reintroducing Thrawn, in Rebels as well as His own Novel... again. And there are bits and pieces of the EU that will never go away. Such as Darth Bane and the Rule of Two which won out over the Rule of Power.
I appreciated what Abrams did with 7. Don't look at it as a way of saying "I just rewrote the script from A New Hope" look at is as Disney saying "I Respect where this story spawned From, and everything that entails. I won't let you down." They're not going to change everything, all doing away with the EU does is give them room to tell the same story in another way.
Would Lucas have brought back Darth Maul and given him spider legs? I have no clue... but I'm glad it happened. We have so much more of that character to go in besides his handful of lines and his brilliant acrobatics. The Mando's got their hat tip having Clan Wren's story line, and even the Death Guard that Sabine was a part of came back.
The EU took decades to bring together... and there is a lot of Golden Story telling involved in it, but there was also a lot of crap and a few inconsistencies as well. I'm sorry but the Book the Courtship of Princess Leia was absolute Garbage and I do not recognize that character written in there as Han Solo, so honestly I'm hoping Disney fixes it. Cause we all know Disney can write a love story... and hell even if they can't... it will still be a better love story than Twilight.
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Post by Amlu Eerkerk on Aug 5, 2017 19:29:48 GMT -8
Rouge one proves THAT disney is going to earn our hearts.
I sit here now and tell you that I hated that the EU is now "Legends" I in fact still refuse to accept it as anything less than Canon events in the Star-War's lore.
That being said Rouge One is by far my favorite Star War's film to date.
Can't wait for episode 8, and the Han Solo movie.
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Post by Amlu Eerkerk on Aug 5, 2017 19:31:01 GMT -8
Woops.
Wrong profile. Well this is awkward...
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Post by Adelle Bastiel on Aug 6, 2017 12:52:17 GMT -8
Rouge one proves THAT disney is going to earn our hearts. That being said Rouge One is by far my favorite Star War's film to date. Wait is that the SW movie where Vader says "You don't know the power of Maybelline?" and it's a battle between the Mary Kay and Maybelline sides of the Cosmetic Force?
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Post by Kaine Australis on Aug 6, 2017 20:00:07 GMT -8
Rouge One : Spelling IS important.
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Post by Zalor Anneri on Aug 22, 2017 20:07:40 GMT -8
I DIED when I saw that! Buhahaha!
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Post by Ariela on Aug 30, 2017 13:05:58 GMT -8
Wasn't there also a book released recently that canonized the history of Thrawn? Or was it an extension of the EU? It felt like it backed up his part in Rebels and feels similar to the Tarkin novel.
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Post by Kal on Sept 4, 2017 17:42:06 GMT -8
The EU was a mixed bag. But of course with so many books and stories and authors it was bound to be. But some of my favourite Star Wars characters and moments come from them, and they're now 'gone'. Officially at least.
The Force Awakens; I liked the new characters, but thought the storyline was Shit. Yes, with a capital S. And I completely lack excitement for Episode VIII. And not interested in the upcoming Han Solo movie either. I already have my Han Solo, thank you very much. However I did love Rogue One. More like that would be good.
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Post by Julia Solari on Sept 5, 2017 9:16:21 GMT -8
I was most upset about how Disney handled the take-over. So much beautiful writing and world-building came out of the EU. Whether it was in novels, games, comics, there was just so much to enjoy and work with as a fan fiction writer. Obviously I still can and do work with the EU, but the fact that Disney discredited all that work... all that wonderful work that was literally more lore-building than the movies themselves... it was a real sith move by disney.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 15:25:52 GMT -8
Wasn't there also a book released recently that canonized the history of Thrawn? Or was it an extension of the EU? It felt like it backed up his part in Rebels and feels similar to the Tarkin novel. Yes, the book you are thinking of is Star Wars: Thrawn. By Timothy Zahn. He stated the Thrawn in rebels and the new book, was the same Thrawn from the EU books that he wrote. Just at an earlier stage of his life and career. And I must say, I respect Disney for doing what they did. In that they didn't have to acknowledge any of the EU. And they could have just entirely thrown it all out (just as George Lucas wanted to. He considered it all non-canon). Instead, they called it the Legends universe. Meaning it all still exists/existed and was a thing. To say it is non-canon, is like saying the many multiverses within Marvel and DC comics are all non-canon. But they're not. Yes, they have stopped developing it further. However, they are still drawing from its vast reserves of story and content, while still creating their own new stuff. As I have said many times before, I'm not sure I would have been excited for the new movies, if Disney basically went through and just turned the books into movies. I mean, some of these stories are things people remember off by heart. And people would have complained far worse if they had not adapted something just right.
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