Zalor Anneri
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Post by Zalor Anneri on Apr 30, 2013 16:26:49 GMT -8
Including you, Kal?
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Kalosis
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Post by Kalosis on Apr 30, 2013 16:28:09 GMT -8
Of course, I am on JvS. Am I not?  |
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Devlin Dewe
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Post by Devlin Dewe on Apr 30, 2013 16:28:49 GMT -8
You could, bluntly, do more good with Devlin getting more directly involved with the Order. Having the High Council on hand and staffing rps would definitely promote a better sense of camaraderie. You know. Possibly moreso than "why is this guy at the head of the Order even though no one ever sees him?" I'm very, very sneaky...? But, but, if I don't RP on Ossus, who will? If you guys want Dev out in the field, I suppose I can work on that. However, is the galaxy ready for that? I've kept him in seclusion to protect it. Not him. XD I am amenable to having him "follow the will of the Force". |
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Mike Frantz
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Post by Mike Frantz on Apr 30, 2013 16:33:36 GMT -8
Well just for the record Devlin I wouldn't feel left out, and even if I was the only Jedi left not on the council I still wouldn't listen to you all |
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Devlin Dewe
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Post by Devlin Dewe on Apr 30, 2013 16:38:13 GMT -8
I think if you did listen to us, the galaxy would implode. Or, we'd kill you as an impostor.
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Adi
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Post by Adi on Apr 30, 2013 16:39:37 GMT -8
...but its Trunks in his ascended Saiyan form, minus the armor. Dork. I am -not- a whale penis, thank you. I am a geek, and proud of it. I was a geek when being a geek was the worst thing you could be. |
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Mike Frantz
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Post by Mike Frantz on Apr 30, 2013 16:40:41 GMT -8
Exactly, and since either of those options result in my death I am opposed to it.
But on a more serious note if Devlin wants to get out into the universe Mike can always show him the ropes of being a field Master. haha
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Alpharius
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Post by Alpharius on Apr 30, 2013 16:41:19 GMT -8
We'd totally kill him as an Imposter. To start, we'll shoot his right ear off.
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Mike Frantz
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Post by Mike Frantz on Apr 30, 2013 16:43:32 GMT -8
Of course you would go back to that. ONE time and I get a reputation. Goodness, that's why I had to turn to drink I think.
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Kalosis
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Post by Kalosis on Apr 30, 2013 16:44:24 GMT -8
Silly Jedi.
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Aerandir Calmcacil
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Post by Aerandir Calmcacil on Apr 30, 2013 16:45:41 GMT -8
Just so you all know I'm reading stuff but I'm just too tired to really add much other than I like kittens.
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Jago
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Post by Jago on Apr 30, 2013 16:54:06 GMT -8
I liked your post, Aer. It appealed to me.
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Aerandir Calmcacil
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Post by Aerandir Calmcacil on Apr 30, 2013 17:05:05 GMT -8
And I liked yours because it was stylish like your hair.
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*walks off*
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Post by Jedi Master Shey Thuru on Apr 30, 2013 23:21:03 GMT -8
Greetings,
I write Lord Garren. (Wrote him on the old site but since I was new, he and all of his posts were lost in the crash.) This is a characte rI plan to develop to eventually confront him and be slain, thus announcing Lord Garren's presence to the Jedi and Sith alike. This won't be till MUCH later in both characters stories. For now I plan to involve him in the Jedi of the site and write with you all not only to develop his story, but become familiar with all the different writer son this site, and you I.
I am still relatively new to the JvS world, but I am far from new to collabrative text-based RP. My old site, before it was shut down, I was on for years. I lost lal of my work, and plan to do it pretty much all over again here in hopes that it won't be lost again. I am a very elogant writer, as you will see, and keep a level head. As such, I must weigh in on the 13 pages of posts I just read to gain an understanding of what is currently going on with the Jedi. I will start with the most current exchange of words.
Council Transparency
I agree with both sides, in a sense. I do not believe EVERY single word written by Council members should have to be displayed. Most of what happens is OOC anyways, planning and such. It can be done through PMs or better yet have an OOC topic created where the discussions take place. (Just as fast as a PM for the most part.) Getting all of the Jedi you wish to bring together involved is the best way to keep a group together and not splinter off in to isolated groups as seems to be the status quo of the Jedi on the old site. (At least that is the way I saw it.)
The Groups
The Watchmen, Sentinels, Investiagors, etc. I believe these are very strong ideas. When dealing with so many writers, each with their own personality influencing their character, a "leader" is always a bad idea. There wil always be butting heads and power struggles. The best way to eliviate this is to have separate groups. Allows people to get their "contro issues" out of their system without tearing a group apart. Just have them report in here and there. As for what these groups are, I leave it to you all as I really am not familiar with all of you in a character or personal sense so who is fond of who and which person butts head with that person is lost on me so far.
Coruscant
I think it is an excellent idea to have Council meetings there and more RP brought to not only the planet, but to the Jedi Temple there. It is the iconic home of the Jedi, and to have an Order without showing it the attention it deserves is like spitting in every SW writer's face. We do not have to bring everyone there, just meetings and some collabrative SLs. Everyone just can't run off to their own worlds and isolate themselves. This in no way drives unity and only pushes the people interested in starting Jedi characters further away. Its like having "clicks" in school. So more RP on Coruscant, an excellent idea. Just not a full recall.
Now, I know I really have no say-so or clout on the site, but I do have more experience then I care to admit on keeping a collabritive writing team together, interesting, and growing. I really don't wish to be swept up in the politics of the site, as I am mainly here to just write. I just wanted to offer some insight since I have been in these situations before and want to see the Jedi get off to a strong start so my character can get some very strong and quality development before I have my Sith lob off his head. =D
Anywho, I plan on posting on Cruscant more and getting Master Thuru involved with the fellow Jedi of the site. I have already made on post in the city, as ther eis no temple thread yet, just to get things rolling with him.
Cordially,
Jedi Master Shey Thuru / Lord Garren
P.S. Feel free to message me with story ideas.
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Dav Man'Sell
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Post by Dav Man'Sell on May 1, 2013 1:24:24 GMT -8
Vesten , Jago, Dav, Raven, Devlin well said. *Sorry, all you Jedi look alike* As for -YOU- Zalor.....its not Goku...its Trunks. I know the hair is off, and is more Goku SSJ2, but its Trunks in his ascended Saiyan form, minus the armor. I guess the point is Adi, is that you're a crazy mofo and you scare us. Honestly, guys, really, most of the Council's discussions on the PMs, even before JvS switched was "Yo, guys, has everyone seen this? Link" "Yeah. Cool idea." "Everyone Ok if I take this one? What I was thinking was this (Insert a few paragraphs of vague unformed ideas here)" "Go for it" And then whoever it is with the idea posts it up on the OOC discussion in question. And that's it. It always makes it back to you guys. The few discussions we do have that aren't in that manner are usually Jedi position appointments. Or, they're the inane ramblings of a bunch of jokers, like Devlin said. Actually, a lot of what Devlin said sums it up. Minuting our discussions, even in the very loosest of senses? Jesus, it'd be a nightmare. "If you were among the general populace and had no feasible means of being selected for the council (by means of tenure, or by a disqualification from requisites given) would you be fine if voices of the council were saying 'we feel it is easier if the contents of our meetings are kept as a secret' " But they're not. That's not what we said. We said that what we discuss always ends up in the public eye eventually, we just like to figure out what we're saying, privately, before we say it. They're not "meetings", they're conversations between a group of people about how they would like to go forward as said group of people. And then we go forward with what we say and you always see the end result. You always hear what we think. It's all very informal. Very chilled out. Making this into some big, serious "the Council are keeping secrets from us" thing is... over-thinking matters. By about 1000 percent. It's really not, we just like having our chats, and I, for one, have seen what happens when said chats are taken out of context by someone watching from the outside and blown out of all proportion, because people on the outside aren't privvy to the language of a group of friends. They aren't aware of our little in-jokes and personal quirks that exists in conversation between a group of friends. This isn't a serious organisation. It's a group of friends tasked with being the central organisers in a larger group of friends over what is, ultimately, a social activity. When dealing with whichever Council member is actively engaged in RP planning - usually (though not always) Aerandir, or Jago, or myself, or all three - that's your High Council interaction right there, and it is with the blessing of the whole council that that person is acting. And one, usually more, of us are always in pretty much every vaguely important discussion the Jedi have everywhere. That it is usually me, Aer, Jago, isn't an issue. We just seem to have ended up as the three informal spokespeople for the Council. So everything that you're saying you guys need from us... well, you pretty much already get it, and it just perhaps wasn't obvious that that's what was going on. We talk to you guys. We touch base with each other to say "is that ok what I've just suggested? Cool, sweet, I'll carry on then". We just keep the whole affair pretty informal so it doesn't become a chore that pushes people away and ends up undoing all our hard work. |
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Post by Dav Man'Sell on May 1, 2013 1:35:54 GMT -8
And, on that note;
Yo, what up people? High Council Announcement time!
The High Council have had a chat and a vote about the matter of replacing Vesten. In our estimations, the best person for the job, and the person we think is most deserving of a seat on the High Council, is;
Will Sontir.
Welcome to the party, pal. Congrats. :)
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Mike Frantz
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Post by Mike Frantz on May 1, 2013 3:24:45 GMT -8
Once again I get stiffed, dang it Arky why did you have to remind him about the ear thing, I was soooo close. Haha
The above is a joke, avoid all serious yelling at me please, I have sensitive ears.
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Post by Alpharius on May 1, 2013 4:30:29 GMT -8
 Anyways, congrats Will!
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Post by Devlin Dewe on May 1, 2013 6:09:25 GMT -8
I've been thinking a bit more about the concept of Stationary and Field Council members. It's still a really fluid concept and a work-in-progress; but I'll throw out what I've been pondering anyway.
If you look at canon Jedi Councils, I don't think every member was out and about all the time. Sure they had times when members would be in the field, but most of the time there was at least a few Jedi back on Coruscant. They probably coordinate relief efforts, train Younglings, sift through intel, and plan battles. At least during the Republic. I don't really think many of the Masters on Luke's Council were ever not in the field...except maybe Kam Solusar.
I mean, we can't have everyone of the HCs out in the field all the time, either. But neither can we have them all at home. Have you ever tried to wrangle Dav into sitting in one place (or one SL or timeline)? It's like trying to pull the ears off a gundark.
If Dav's out fighting a duel on Mustafar, Jago's flying around with the Dragons, Aerandir's helping orphaned kittens in the Core, Serrin's attempting to track down Mike and Will after a long weekend (and hoping at least one of them has clothes on), Adi's Force knows where without a stitch, and Raven's studying the mysteries of the Force (probably becoming a planet or something. Have you ever tried talking with a planet? It's...interesting.), and I'm leading the charge against the Sith, who's left to report to when you need to inform the Council about something? Talon? Um, as Devlin's Padawan, he's most likely with him, so...yeah.
Then we all just do what we want and what we think is best without informing each other. We wouldn't really have a united Jedi Order, just a loose affiliation of people who will come to the aid of others...maybe. Not that you should check in with the Council all the time; but sometimes, it is needed. And it might be handy to know where a Council member can be easily found. (Unless your like Mike and don't listen to the Council anyway. Pretty sure if the Council told him to drink Corellian ale, he'd stay sober just to prove a point.)
Not that we don't need Jedi in the field, but we also need Jedi at home. Not just to defend but to teach and train. Leaders are made on the battlefield, to be sure. But that's not the only place they are needed. Just the easiest place to see them in action. I still think we need leaders behind the scenes coordinating our efforts; but that could just be me.
It is not our similarities that make us great, but our differences. I think we should celebrate that by letting writers write their characters in unique ways and situations that fit the development they have built for their character. If a character is an administrator or a politician, I don't think they'd do well on the battlefield. If a character is prone to study and introspection, why force them into a shoe that they don't want? There are many types of Jedi, but only one Order.
Not sure if any of that made sense, but there it is. ...Maybe I should let it marinate a little longer before posting next time...
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Mike Frantz
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Post by Mike Frantz on May 1, 2013 9:07:21 GMT -8
It makes a lot of sense actually. You want to sit around and tell everyone what to do, point noted. But on a more serious note I appreciate your desire to have someone around to be the behind the scenes sort of guy. And actually that would be awesome. Having someone for us (as in other jedi) to consult would be a good thing. Besides I like having you around to talk to, if I ever get to Coruscant that is. Becuase truthfully Alkor will probably be the death of me before that happens.
P.S. I am always clothed even when drunk, Will on the other hand.... well you don't want to know what happens when he is smashed...
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