Restrictive Rules of JvS

Kaine has a poit here. I don't know if I fully agree with exactly what he's saying but I think there is room to add at least some custom stuff back. The issue with the PO was it turned into an insane and hard to track arms race, if we keep a better eye on things and are a bit more selective of what we allow then we were last time it could really add a little something extra.

I could very well talk until I die on this thread, so I will attempt to keep short & to the point.

I agree that the return of custom tech would be nice. Both as a flavor thing to make a fleet/army/ship feel more personalized, and as a mechanical advantage seesaw.

For flavor, it would basically be saying 'treat [blank] as a ship of type [blank]'. Maybe it is a corellian dreadnought or some ship you like the look of that only showed up for a second or three. You are basically asking that any stats, or lack of stats, be replaced with a better known & more excepted model. Like an X-wing or an Imp-star. I think this could, with some good reasoning, be extended to ships that would be vastly different normally. For example: Writer A fell in love with the lucrehulks design, but they are a very poor choice for combat & punishingly expensive by the point system. So instead the person asks that they be treated as Imp-stars (or as smaller SDs or some other, more practical warship). Maybe Writer A had teams extensively rework the ships for better fire control, but at the cost of shields, or whatever change was needed. Functionally, size has so little impact in the upper ranges of space combat I wouldn't really see an issue. In an extension of that, you could even allow fully custom designs to be put in place like that.

For function, I would say ship edits are allowed, but capped at 1 change per ship. For example, you could boost the shields in one of your ships, engines in another & weapons in a third, but you wouldn't be able to boost weapons & shields in any one. However, without a mechanical based combat system, I think it would be difficult to implement such a system. After all, you can say you have boosted weapons, but it won't really make much difference without an agreed on amount of damage a normal turbolaser should cause.

Discussion on fleets seems to have come to a stand still over there. So by all means, feel free to drop in there or continue discussing it here.
The important thing isn’t where we discuss what changes we want to see made, just that we discuss them

Gulch, if you have any ideas for what the new classifications should be, I would certainly like to hear what they are.


How does everyone feel about the current army limits?

Are there any issues with the species restrictions?

Where real life classifications are concerned, I would agree. But then, Star Wars screws up a few things (sound in space, people riding on the backs of space whales with just a helmet on, etc).

Some reclassifications could work. Could be something where we hash out some rough ideas for what it might look like.

As far as points go though. There was some mention of potentially having it where people could transfer points to each other. So, for example, a non military character could trade some amount of their points to a military inclined character.
Alternatively, as long as you’re not showing up completely unannounced, you could agree to your own fleet limitations with another writer/s. The idea of the current ones, is that they apply in situations where you show up without planning or warning and start besieging someone.

The points system is a guideline for surprise actions(actions not planned by both(all) sides of the conflict) so it should stay as is I think. The Lucrehulk going toe-to-toe with two ISD's would honestly win that fight. They have heavy shields for a ship their class, letting them soak a good amount of fire from the ISDs before taking hull damage. Even then, core/vital systems are hidden well within the structure of the ship and not likely to be damaged by enemy fire even without shields for some time.(exact time depends on concentration and accuracy of fire mostly, still it'd be upwards of five minutes to cause significant damage to core systems using concentrated and reasonably accurate fire.)

While you're shield and hull tanking damage from the ISD's main cannons. Your hangars are emptying, and easily overwhelming the ISD's combined compliments with just numbers. Then those fighters can begin strafing, bombing, or outright kamikaze attacks either or both ISD's. The main reactor on the ISD pokes through the ship's ventral hull. crack that, and the ship is dead. It will take several bomb runs to crack the armor, but you don't have to worry about getting through secondary systems first, like the ISD's do.

In short, the ISD's can out gun the Lucrehulk easily, but a well commanded Lucrehulk can easily out play a pair of ISDs. (assuming all ships and compliments are stock canon)

All this to say, the point system is not, in my opinion, unbalanced enough to need reworking. Taung put a lot of hard work into making it as fair as possible, and it's the best I've seen. If you can find me a better system, I'll happily look it over and see if we can get it implemented, if that is deemed necessary by the players.

Raising the point cap, is also unnecessary, as it only(or will only) govern surprise attacks, ie: events planned by only one side of the conflict. So any and all other events will have caps that are agreed upon by both sides. (or more likely, fleet compositions that are agreed upon by both(all) sides)

That's my take on it.



Customization is something that should be brought back, I'm looking forward to working out how we'll do that exactly. The database/registry system should be sufficient for this site, I think. With anything that gets too crazy being "redacted" until the author can tone it back some, as a check to open arms races.

Playing devil's advocate for a moment, why do we even need a registry?

So that writers don't have to post specs of their custom ship every RP/conflict and can just link readers to a neat organized post with all the technical details. So really for organization and narrative flow. (Is pretty sure there is, or was, a JvS wiki somewhere and is a great format for hosting posts of technical details)