Dred Vizsla
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Post by Dred Vizsla on Aug 10, 2013 20:34:49 GMT -8
Hacking Exchange accounts? Never happen. Exchequer makes sure of that. Emphasis on "makes sure".
You've been given the terms. Compensation for services rendered.
Oh, and next time kiddo, let the grown ups do the talking. I don't remember asking the Griffin crew for their services.
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Post by Oz Griffin on Aug 10, 2013 21:15:53 GMT -8
Never, huh? You clearly haven't met the walking miracle that is me. I'd be in and out of your system in less time than it takes for you to take a dump in that armor. The grown ups were talking, right before you showed up. Last I checked, "glorified errand boy" wasn't really a grown up job, whereas "billionaire genius inventor/best hacker in the 'verse" is most definitely a grown up job. There's also one other thing I'm not quite gung ho about, and I get the feeling my fellow temporary crew mates might not like it too much either. It's this little thing I found while perusing my PM inbox. Let me know if it looks familiar. ...we can swallow up others like the Fel crew and press gang into our conglomerate and further our particular areas of "expertise".
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Post by Dred Vizsla on Aug 10, 2013 21:58:39 GMT -8
*sigh* Quite the acute hacker skills indeed. You know how to use the quote button and use OOC information IC. *Thumbs up.* Kudos to you. I bet your mama is proud.
Everyone answers to a higher power. Everyone. But as I stated earlier, I was talking to the leadership. Not you. If they say no, then the RP stops there.
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Post by Oz Griffin on Aug 10, 2013 22:28:27 GMT -8
Huh... I guessed I missed the part where this was an IC thread. My bad. I'll be sure and stay more careful about that in the future. A thousand apologies. As for the hacking, only an infant would assume that copying part of a message I readily have access to is something I consider to be hacking. Now I'm not saying YOU are an infant, mind you, but... ah, who am I kidding. That's totally what I'm saying. I answer only to the laws of physics, my friend, and sometimes not even those. But since you want the big wig ( Galdaart Fel), I'm afraid you'll have to go through the Fel empire first. The cap'n went and got himself arrested (last I heard anyway). Second in command would probably be Liya Tawaza, but as far as I understand she's not only preoccupied with a personal vendetta right now, but also on the verge of falling madly in love with a certain genius engineer whose name shall remain unmentioned (it's totally me, btw). The rest of the crew is kind of dispersing. Good luck finding us. lol. Seriously though, all ribbing and verbal jabbing and bear-poking aside, I'd love to take an IC crack at your security sometime.
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Post by Dred Vizsla on Aug 10, 2013 22:54:15 GMT -8
Well in all seriousness, I don't know what Cheq has as far as the actual security. Not my particular cup of tea or brand of tea. He wants someone dead, I do my best to write that out. Geldaart would have been broken out of jail as a show of good faith, Liya could have had her revenge as an incentive to work with us. But we'll see how it turns out. This may be an OOC thread but it came from a PM that wasn't sent to everyone on this thread. That's cheating. Use all the colorful banter you wish. Argue whatever semantics you will. I didn't appreciate that. It was an OOC idea that would have been figured out as a courtesy from me out of respect to let you guys know what he would try to do. That won't happen now. I didn't get that chance. Not cool in my book. I know my approval isn't something you need, but still I would have liked to say that on my own. With all due respect.
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Post by Oz Griffin on Aug 10, 2013 23:26:59 GMT -8
I get that, except you weren't saying it on your own. You were offering a pretty job all tied up in a bow, without any OOC hint of your real plans. To me, that looked like an attempt to mislead my crew OOC in order to eventually put them in a situation IC where you can manipulate them to your hearts content, and that's not cool in my book. IC, go ahead and manipulate all you want, but be up front OOC with the people you want to write with. Starting off with "hey guys, I've got this job I want you to do" when all along your plan is to force us to join or blow us to pieces is not cool at all and a really good way to make actual enemies.
I'll admit that sharing that info outside of its original PM probably wasn't the best move on my part, but I made sure I didn't include any info to give away the other parties involved. I was just giving my crew the heads up about your less than honest sales pitch. I don't like it when people try and manipulate my friends (their characters, on the other hand, are a bit of a different story).
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Post by Dred Vizsla on Aug 10, 2013 23:40:18 GMT -8
I never got the chance. How do you know that I wasn't going to say, oh and by the way first chance Dred gets he'll screw you over, without any real proof? It was an idea I was sharing with someone else to get a good rp going that would be fun to write out for all involved. You jumped the gun. Period. I have no intentions of screwing anyone over and you have no stitch of proof to prove otherwise. You don't know me personally, so how could you make a fair assessment? You can't. That was a full on dick move. Justify whatever way you want. It was just playful banter up until that point. Then you crossed the line. I can handle joking around and was doing just that until you posted that from the PM. That in the real world is libel. Using something out of context to justify your opinion, which is false by the way.
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Post by Oz Griffin on Aug 10, 2013 23:55:24 GMT -8
I never said that's what you were going to do, only that that was how it looked from where I stood. I apologize for jumping the gun, but I do have past experience with you. It's not bad experience, by any means, but it's also not experience that would tell me you'd always be up front about things. You have a habit of being earnest and straightforward after the fact. Or at least you used to. (I'm Trask, btw)
That said, I could have warned the crew without quoting the PM, (though to be honest, half the site is already privy to that thread, lol), and I apologize for using the direct quote. I didn't think it would be a big issue, given your willingness to reveal it in an ongoing PM thread with over a dozen unrelated recipients (two of whom are also members of this crew along with myself). That doesn't really say "hey guys, keep this on the down low" to me, unless you actually say to keep it on the down low (which you didn't). Had it been a personal PM specifically sent to only the small group of people you wanted to know about it, this would have been a different matter entirely.
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Post by Dred Vizsla on Aug 11, 2013 0:13:16 GMT -8
But that's exactly what you did. We may have had our differences, and I know that dealing with me wasn't easy, but how could you possibly think that I would do that? Especially since you do know me? IF you knew me, you'd know it was NEVER EVER on purpose and always fixed my shit when you said it was in my best interest. IF they knew and were apart of the thread on the PM then they knew it wasn't personal. It was just apart of the character mechanics and knew that I didn't have to say keep it on the down low because it would have been said for the respect of others and their intellectual property. A way to unify crime oriented gamers, through double-cross and intrigue. Like RL organized crime. The people Dred is with would do the same to him if they were ordered to do so. And since I know that it's you, this is an even bigger insult to me. You completely stabbed me in the back. I looked up to you. I knew that if I could go to anyone about any problem, Trask was the guy to help out. You shattered that. Consider my offer rescinded. I'm waiting to hear what Adrien has to say about this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 0:53:52 GMT -8
No more. Both of you.
I don't care to read this...discussion...argument...whatever you want to call it. This thread, the planning thread for this crew, isn't the place for this. Sort this out amongst yourselves in a PM. We have enough problems with the crew fracturing, trying to get things sorted out RL time wise, to have to deal with this as well.
Oz, thank you for the warning as to the Exchanges trustworthiness.
Dred, thank you for the offer: whatever the crew decides in relation to moving forward will probably be made in private PM.
I'm not boss here, but I know for a fact that many of us would agree that we don't want to see this thread locked or some nonsense because of an verbal escalation...so just take it to PMs, please, and thank you.
- Dante
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Liya Tawaza
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Post by Liya Tawaza on Aug 12, 2013 19:47:42 GMT -8
Looks like I have a lot to catch up on. Post incoming if I have enough time tonight!
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Post by Liya Tawaza on Aug 12, 2013 20:54:43 GMT -8
Dred, talking down to a member of the crew isn't going to get you very far. Neither will expecting one of us to let you mislead the rest OOC. We don't do anything that everyone isn't comfortable doing.
Aside from that, we already have several jobs to do, so I don't see how we have room for another job right now. Sorry.
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Post by Oz Griffin on Aug 12, 2013 21:02:51 GMT -8
To be clear: Dred didn't do anything wrong here. It was my wrong assumptions about how he'd handle the situation that led to me quoting the PM and causing the problem. So basically, the whole ruckus is my fault... Sorry guys.
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Post by Liya Tawaza on Aug 12, 2013 21:15:23 GMT -8
Wait, you caused a ruckus? That's never happened before! Alright, well, any misunderstandings aside, my other answer still stands - I think we have enough to do as it is. But we can discuss it further via PM if need be.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 21:29:24 GMT -8
Is there really anything to talk about? I mean we seriously have our plate full at the moment...how could we possibly take on another SL?
It might make for a good SL to reunite the crew though.
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Post by Oz Griffin on Aug 12, 2013 22:05:35 GMT -8
Wait, you caused a ruckus? That's never happened before! ...shut up. And hurry up and fall madly in love with me already. You can't keep a guy waiting forever.
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Post by Dazac on Aug 13, 2013 17:56:01 GMT -8
Yikes, that was an earful....eyeful... whatever. Just swung by to say hi. Hope you haven't forgotten me =P
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Post by Liya Tawaza on Aug 14, 2013 20:25:59 GMT -8
Well, Dred's reply is gone, but ugh. I really should have worded that better. Sorry, guys.
Tip of the day: Don't try to respond to a dispute if you are in so much of a hurry that you can't be polite. (And really, I didn't need to say anything at all).
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Post by Liya Tawaza on Aug 14, 2013 20:28:26 GMT -8
No, there isn't anything more to talk about. The only way this would work is as a and realistically, we're months away from being ready for that.
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Post by Seros Darklighter on Aug 14, 2013 20:37:58 GMT -8
Don't think I'll bother reading what Dred and Oz went on about. I'm in my zone, writing my novel right now. Also, Dante, a reminder: You haven't run the urine sample you have of what Dorian found in the UC yet, have you?
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