Ael Jade
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Post by Ael Jade on Nov 7, 2013 12:34:22 GMT -8
I love the Coruscant focus, particularly as summarized by Eliel and Kel'al (and probably others of you. I don't mean to overlook anyone on purpose). This would be much better for the Jedi Order as a whole than starting another splinter sect/academy. Though, to those of you who messaged me asking if I had considered doing this, I thank you from the bottom of my heart for your support. As long as it is possible to do so, I wish to work from within the Jedi Order. While I enjoy the philosophy of the Greys, they were not a separate sect, instead operating within the Order (I'm thinking of Qui-Gon here).
I intend to call Corellia 'home' and work from there, but I adore the idea of traveling to other academies as well. So, I am really excited about that and I think it has awesome potential for wider interaction between Jedi. I also think it can go far to making the Order feel really unified.
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Will Sontir
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Post by Will Sontir on Nov 7, 2013 13:20:47 GMT -8
What is cute about this "change" is that, even though I packaged it as a suggestion. That is how it is.
we switched shortly before the Mando War broke out, if anyone, recalls. The Coubcil met there, The Senate was called-- the whole nine yards.
but you're, now its time to put it in practice.
anyone needs to talk to the Council, go to the Council Spire and at least one of the current ones will answer you at least via holo comm.
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Will Sontir
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Post by Will Sontir on Nov 7, 2013 13:22:39 GMT -8
Alan is right, the travelling trials idea was suggested but fell apart. Then we tried to set it up like Pokemon gyms, where padawans travel to get different trails completed. Never came off the ground. Ideas?
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Post by Adi on Nov 7, 2013 13:27:50 GMT -8
Thank you. It's a start. We certainly need something that mixes writers together and moves people from location to location but also serves a constructive IC purpose. Meeting and writing with more people has lots of benefits beyond reducing cliques, too -- it could help you find a master, apprentice, rival, etc. I like the idea as well, especially since it will allow those who have yet to choose a "home praxeum/academy" to get a taste of each option. I also think that the Temple on Coruscant would serve nicely as a central hub for the order where the High Council can meet, via hologram if necessary/more convenient, and where the Jedi can be more easily accessible to the Republic and other writers who may wish to interact with them. I could very much see Tyor settling down on Coruscant and spending much of his free time trying to help those in need in the lower levels of the cityscape. We could set it up like the US military, then. One planet serves as a central headquarters. From here, Jedi are either "deployed" to do missions or they "PCS" ("permanent" change of station) in which said Jedi would be sent to other Praxeums for a time. I agree with Tyor about the Coruscant temple. While I identify as a Yavinite, Coruscant really was a starting point for the Jedi and I think it's just as—if not more than—important as Yavin was to Luke. This was tried already....by assigning Jedi to planets they don't wish to go, RP fizzled. You should let the players choose where they want to go, not choose it for them...Trust me.
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Eliel
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Post by Eliel on Nov 7, 2013 13:55:17 GMT -8
This was tried already....by assigning Jedi to planets they don't wish to go, RP fizzled. You should let the players choose where they want to go, not choose it for them...Trust me. Well duh. You don't force people to do something they don't want to do. The IC principle of it, though, could be used. It would present a coordinated and unified image of the Jedi Order, imo.
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Ael Jade
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Post by Ael Jade on Nov 7, 2013 14:10:51 GMT -8
While eating my chili something occurred to me:
For the basic hierarchy of the unified Jedi Order there could be something along the lines of Jedi High Council (based on Coruscant) ? academy councils (at each Jedi Academy) ? Jedi. Similar to the factions/usergroups, I would suggest that to be considered an active academy there should be at least three Jedi characters there. Also the status of an academy is not set in stone. For instance right now I would list Felucia and Corellia as active Jedi academies, with Yavin 4 and Ossus currently listed as abandoned. (Devlin Dewe is on Ossus as a hermit, but there are no students.) This should remain fluid. If Jedi characters wish to form an academy elsewhere or reactivate a historic academy, by all means there should be freedom for this to happen.
In terms of the High Council: there should be one High Councilor to represent one Jedi Academy. This insures that no one academy holds an undue amount of sway in the High Council. Each Academy HC representative should be voted for by that specific Academy’s Council (in turn elected by the Jedi of that Academy with as many or few numbers as needed by the amount of active characters within that academy). Secondarily, to insure balance in the Order as there are always Jedi that prefer to roam about and claim no home allegiance, there should be two Jedi High Councilors elected to represent the Order as a whole instead of any specific academy in particular. These two should be voted for by every Jedi character, sitewide if possible, and they should be well-respected Jedi across the Order ideally. Also, High Council elections should be held every one or two OOC years, end of story. If someone is doing a great job, re-elect them. If, at any time, the Jedi Order feels that the two Order HC’s have neglected their duty and are leaning towards a specific academy, a vote of ‘no confidence’ should be put forward (the HC in question should then have an opportunity to defend his/her conduct and the Jedi should judge accordingly). More locally, if an academy, or its occupants feel that their representative HC or resident councilors are doing an inadequate job, a vote of ‘no confidence’ should be expected and that academy will then sort its issues out through IC rp preferably (think of the story possibilities here!) and if necessary, elect new councilors/new HC.
I feel that something like this might help alleviate insular cliquishness as well as encourage Jedi writers with a system of meritocracy and representativeness in which each Jedi character has a say through their councilors and ultimately through themselves within the Jedi Order. This would provide a platform for unity and potentially stimulate rp. This format would allow for the creation and integration of new Jedi academies as they are founded. This system provides checks and balances within itself. (Side note: the two HCs representing the Order as a whole can be elected from a Jedi academy, for example, Felucia. The only time this could be an issue is if that HC forgets that he/she represents the Order as a whole, and not the Felucian Academy. This would be stopped by the Jedi Order as a whole with a vote of ‘no confidence.’ So, any Jedi may be elected as Order HC. The point is, they should be widely respected among the Jedi as a whole and chosen upon the basis of extreme merit.)
In terms of how to implement this specifically (or after the Mandalorian Jihad): it would be easiest for all those who wish to write a Jedi character to choose an initial academy to begin rp at (preferably an active one) in order to vote for the academic councils and through them the academy HC. Or, if wishing to currently remain unaffiliated, to then vote for the two Order HCs. Then, as soon as they please, and/or works out for their various plotlines, proceed to activate/found new academies as necessary/desired.
This could easily incorporate the militaristic assigning/traveling of Jedi masters, knights, and padawans within the Order as mentioned in previous posts (with a ooc planning and agreement).
Anyway, just an idea.
Oh, what is it?
TL;DR organization of Jedi Order
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Alpharius
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Post by Alpharius on Nov 7, 2013 14:16:02 GMT -8
A council within a council. JEDICEPTION!
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Ael Jade
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Post by Ael Jade on Nov 7, 2013 14:26:38 GMT -8
Council within a council. Small republic. But it provides for everyone to have a say and advancement within the Jedi Order. By having a set OOC time period for HC elections it means that people should not get offended by rotating out of office and having a fresh face. Alternatively, they could be re-elected.
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Eliel
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Post by Eliel on Nov 7, 2013 14:51:34 GMT -8
Well, if we were to all agree on a centrally located headquarters, a Jedi's loyalty should be to the Order and the headquarters, not to any one academy at which they serve. I do agree that each academy should have representatives to bring forth local issues for HC consideration, but if a Jedi is elected to High Council, their only loyalty should be to the Order as a whole. If they show favoritism for a branch, why should they be elected? HC's will probably have the most demanding job, if only because they must put the interest of the entire Order as their first priority when it comes to Order issues.
I'd like to see a rotation of sorts when it comes to academies, if people were willing to do it. Their Jedi goes to a planet for a few months then is "re-assigned" another planet after. This way, we get fresh faces and people get a change of scenery. Students living and learning at a particular academy would be exempt, unless they were apprenticed to a master who'd been "reassigned."
Again, just my two cents.
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Aerandir Calmcacil
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Post by Aerandir Calmcacil on Nov 7, 2013 15:29:27 GMT -8
Unless we get more writers or spread them around, I'm not sure each location will have enough to have a "local council," unless they're composed of NPCs...
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Post by The Admiralty OOC on Nov 7, 2013 15:56:35 GMT -8
My two cents.
'traditional' Jedi strongholds (in no particular order): Ossus, Yavin 4, Coreillia, Felushia, Naboo (Maybe, as part of the CoK as a kind of redemption outreach program), Coruscant. These should be listed as the IC academies, though they might not have that many PCs at any give time, they should still be treated as having plenty of younglings, padawans, knights & a couple masters running around (to make it easier for someone new to jump in wherever they wish, as whichever stage of training they wish).
An NPC council: 1 representing each of the academies (6 total), 3 representing those jedi that don't consider themselves part of any academy, 3 representing the order in total (the moderate vote so to speak). 11 members NPC total.
An OOC council: 3 members each elected by popular vote of all the jedi on the site. Elections held January each year, with a vote of no confidence or a vote of absence allowed at any time. (councilors voted in to replace a voted out member are only there until they get voted out or January rolls around again).
Council Discussions: held OOC & once an agreement is reached, an IC version is posted with relevant IC details.
Voting: For the OOC council elections the vote is held in an open thread, each Jedi lists two names (or just one if they want). The three names with the most votes are the councilor for that year. Vote of no confidence should also be held in an open thread, with at least 50% of the active jedi voting for dismissal for it to pass. Vote of absence is the same, but the people must have been absence for at least two weeks without notice (getting on chat & letting someone know that they woln't be able to get on for two-three weeks or posting the same info in the OOC planning thread prevents the vote until two weeks after the given date of return has passed). If a Vote of dismissal passes, a new vote will be called following the election rules, with the name with the most votes filling the vacant seat. A PM will be sent to ALL jedi characters WHENEVER any vote is held, alerting them to the vote, the subject of the vote & a link to the thread where the vote is taking place. Vote lasts for two weeks after the PM is sent.
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Xeonon Solomon
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Post by Xeonon Solomon on Nov 7, 2013 18:11:15 GMT -8
Well there are 50 slotted in for Jedi on your usergroups so conservatively there are 30 Jedi
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Devlin Dewe
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Post by Devlin Dewe on Nov 7, 2013 18:42:28 GMT -8
On Ossus, we've always operated as though there is an NPC Council for the Praxeum, but Devlin is the go to member for face-to-face discussions, and an NPC leadership for the Ysanna...in fact, I'm pretty sure there's an NPC Council for the Grey Jedi on Ossus, though Riddick is the go to for them.
Clearly, we need to at least vote to fill the vacant seats on the current setup. But, I'm fairly comfortable with Mer's idea. It's something, I feel like we have had in the past and even had most recently...almost.
Serrin-Corellia Dav-Yavin Jago-Yavin Vesten-Yavin Devlin-Ossus Aer-Belkadan/Felucia Raven-Felucia Will-Corellia
But what are the current academies we want to include? Corellia, Yavin, Ossus, Felucia? Do other worlds need representation that I'm forgetting? Rodia and Belkadan? Naboo?
So, going from that list, the Jedi High Council would include 4 members from Jedi worlds and 2 from within the Order. A total of 6 High Councilors. Do the Jedi as a whole think that's too many? Too few? According to Xeonon's conservative estimate, that'd mean the council would be 1/5 of the Jedi Order (8.333 of the total Jedi slotted in usergroups...something like 12%).
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Ael Jade
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Post by Ael Jade on Nov 7, 2013 18:54:20 GMT -8
Admy's idea is pleasant from a streamlined point of view, but I still think that local academy councils would end up forming in character anyway...
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Will Sontir
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Post by Will Sontir on Nov 7, 2013 18:55:52 GMT -8
Soooo what people are coming to is. . .that . . .you like how things are laid out, but don't like what we have?
The basic outlines of what is basically being consenting to with those few who are participating (non jedi included) is basically already in place.
-Coruscant is where we already are centralized it is just no one's there, due to the Mando War (that looks to niched at this point) Council people are represented from every academy, just none stay there, due to things LIKE the Mando War Jedi travel here and there but get tied into RP or tossed in a void, due to people IRL or apathy (no way to tell) Council pitches things publicly, people give their consent, and we move forward IC (albeit very, very, very slowly).
The basic issue still lies with so much falls to so few, so much so that we are losing a big part of the heart and soul of the Order.
I am still down with reshuffling of the Council, full reelection. Remove some seats if you want, add. why not. NPCs don't make too much sense though, because someone will have to be trusted to write them. And with the Council being such a pivotal body of people, PC or NPC, and those people entrusted with writing the NPCs should write them with care and dignity. Unless these will just be magical mission givers, it makes no sense for them to be NPCs.
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Devlin Dewe
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Post by Devlin Dewe on Nov 7, 2013 19:00:29 GMT -8
The more things change...
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Post by Aerandir Calmcacil on Nov 7, 2013 19:04:38 GMT -8
Re: Belkadan, it's little more than a Safe Haven, not an operating Academy anymore, so it doesn't need to be included in these considerations of ours. I guess Aerandir would still technically be the "steward" of Belkadan, more or less because no one else RPs there, though I might be passing that off to an alt of mine. I'd planned on having it work as a refugee area for the war but with that uncertain I'm not sure how to proceed with that right now.
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Post by Panno on Nov 7, 2013 19:23:54 GMT -8
If I understood things right your really going to want to do some reelections. Many of the Yavinites are leaving leaving. That is unless misunderstood in which case ignore this.
That's at least 4 seats with people who won't be there (Serin Raven Jago and Dav) Idont know the other members and who all is active.
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Will Sontir
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Post by Will Sontir on Nov 7, 2013 19:41:51 GMT -8
Aer Will Dev
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Post by Lord Jud'dayus: The Debase on Nov 7, 2013 20:06:25 GMT -8
If you guys are still looking for RPers... for possible Jedi, PM me.
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