Will Sontir
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Post by Will Sontir on Nov 15, 2013 18:36:09 GMT -8
CORELLIANS!!
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Post by Devlin Dewe on Nov 15, 2013 18:38:29 GMT -8
Well, normal is a relative term. I mean, you're normal, as far as Corellians go.
But as far as consolidation goes. I was thinking we could use the 3 council structure to give the Jedi a solid infrastructure. And use it to bolster the ranks of the Jedi. Give people a "place" within the Order. And, beyond that, if we cut back on the number of worlds and academies/praxeums we have, keeping our leaders together makes sense...but only if we don't have PC academy councils.
But, again, it depends on how consolidated we want to get. There are still a few questions that we as an Order need to answer. Will we pull back everyone to Coruscant? Do we keep a few Praxeums? How many? What happens to the worlds we no longer RP on? Can they still be Jedi worlds without a PC Jedi? Will they be in a holding pattern? This could also tie-in to the Cold War concept. We don't need to abandon them, obviously; but the question still remains, what will happen to them if the main Jedi are consolidated to a couple worlds?
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Post by Adi on Nov 15, 2013 19:06:58 GMT -8
This is why I suggested doing it from the HC itself. We don't have a lot of people...yea, I see the new members flooding in, but that doesnt mean they are ready to just dive into a position like that. "Too many chiefs, not enough Indians" type mentality. If we have too many leaders in various council positions, we have no one to lead.
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Post by Will Sontir on Nov 15, 2013 19:09:59 GMT -8
I think the planets, and Sin can chime in on this one, that according to the new rules of dominion, the ones we leave behind can still be historically IC Jedi friendly and we can RP on whenev we deem fit, and most (if not all) jedi planets reside inside the Republic which fall under our per view anyway.
The ones we keep, those leaders who are established there can keep RPing there as leaders appointed by the Council to safeguard and lead the enclave. I have sort of ignored the Cold War concept as I have been pretty bogged down, but I am sure we can work it in somehow.
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Post by Adi on Nov 15, 2013 19:15:23 GMT -8
Even in canon, the planets that were 'jedi-friendly' didn't always have Jedi on them, so Will is right.
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Post by Lord Sinistra on Nov 15, 2013 20:12:24 GMT -8
Couple of things.
1. I don't see having people on these councils as divisive since all of them were on Coruscant.
2. I don't see these councils being any more divisive than the current Watchmen or Shadows groups that exist.
3. These councils merely help focus a group towards a certain type of RP, like shadowy missions or diplomacy, or healing, or teaching. I don't think we need them, but if people want to do some RP with them, what is the problem? If you don't want to actually put people on them, we'll just NPC them.
I merely asked if I could mention this as it fits more in line with who Raylia is and what she does. She would be all about tracking down Jedi artifacts and destorying Sith ones. And helping to oversee the training programs at the academies and their use of the accumulated knowledge of the Jedi.
PS. You can call Raylia whatever you want. But not Sin. Never Sin.
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Post by Zion Morviael [RETIRED] on Nov 15, 2013 20:35:34 GMT -8
on the curtails of Sin's reponse, I would like to chime in as well....
If we have enough interest in each council we should add them in. So instead of slapping the 3 councils in, we see if anyone would be interested on being on a council and if there is enough other interested people to fill the other seats of the council we add it in. a good example would be The Council of First Knowledge. Raylia wants to be on it, I think it'd be a great position for Zion (cause destroying things and managing knowledge are two things he is good at), and going by my logic, if another 3 people also want to be on the CoFK, then boom we add it in officially (or for ease, if we even get Ray and Zion, plus say someone from the HC to sit on the CoTK, then we add it in as well). We'd do a similar thing with the other two councils as well.
also: I probably speak mostly for myself when I say this, but regardless of whether the HC calls all Jedi back to Coruscant, Zion and co will be remaining on Honoghr to run the Temple there.
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Post by Will Sontir on Nov 15, 2013 20:36:51 GMT -8
It divides the resource (ie writers) we have and at best bogs them down into serving in more sub commitees that boil down to a simple administrative duty (one master covers Watchmen, another Shadows, another Knowledge). We don't have enough masters to create different councils.
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Post by Lord Sinistra on Nov 15, 2013 20:52:43 GMT -8
It creates SL and RP to bring people together. It gives Ray a reason to send a Shadow off to find something and interact with a potential Sith SL. It gives Ray a solid IC reason for traveling between the academies and temples on JvS to assess their training programs so I can interact with more than just a couple Jedi. It creates SL. The point you seem to be missing.
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Post by Will Sontir on Nov 15, 2013 21:00:34 GMT -8
i don't think ulterior Councils is the best way to handle all that; consolidated RP and SLs is the point, a greater range of RP in a smaller area. But I've already said this.
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Post by Lord Sinistra on Nov 15, 2013 21:09:36 GMT -8
Bear with me here.
RDMC - Honoghr already exists. Medical corps is under Reassignment. Place already exists with someone there to RP it.
Archives on Coruscant. Falls under CoFK, already exists with people to RP with it among what ever you decide to keep and incorporate things for the actual Jedi Shadows group to do.
Jedi Watchmen exist, their lead looks good for HC. Reconciliation helps to steward rebuilding and peaceful trade routes where Mando war ravaged like Ossus, where there is already a temple.
The places and people already exist, the councils are merely give a IC foundation to help bring Jedi together with the same goals in mind.
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Post by Will Sontir on Nov 15, 2013 21:12:47 GMT -8
It exists. . .but how well is that going? . . .
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Post by Lord Sinistra on Nov 15, 2013 21:23:18 GMT -8
Considering you just got a dearth of darksiders making Jedi characters, don't you worry about it. If there is something we're familiar with, it's drumming up organization and working out the kinks in SL's. I don't know if you notice, but the major plots tend to be driven by darksiders. We have a knack for this sort of thing.
We'll fix the Order up and give the Cold War a good frosty conflict.
Trust me, we got this. (We, as in the whole gaggle of Jedi, not just the new ones.)
In the meantime, Raylia will be considered part of the CoFK, which for the time being can be an NPC entity for all I care. I just need it to be plot hooks for a couple things Ray is going to do.
We'll get the HC set, the temples figured out as far as what stays and what goes and we'll see where we sit after that. If we have support and numbers to expand to the other three, so be it. If not, fine too.
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Post by Will Sontir on Nov 15, 2013 22:12:46 GMT -8
the dearth of darkside writers is my exact point, not a lot of jedi writers to go around. I know I personally don't enjoy writing both side of the story, not enjoyable.
But i guess you can do whatever you want. It's your toons, it's your experience. I am just trying to do what is right for the JEDI Order.
And I won't disagree with many of the plots are driven by baddies, conflict is story. and you are an amazing storyteller.
But to say the darksiders got this. . .c'mon. I know I don't pretend to run Mandalore, and the Republic. . .actually I do, but I am a figure head for whatever they decide, I just help.
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Post by Lord Sinistra on Nov 15, 2013 22:21:44 GMT -8
I said we as the Jedi Order has got this. You know, that group that I also count myself as a member of?
Try reading my post instead of jumping to conclusions.
For trying to bring people together, you're kinda coming off a bit exclusionary of ideas not your own. There is no us and them any more. There is JVS as a whole. We(the new Jedi alts) are part of you, we are one big happy group. We are not the enemy.
And I like writing many sides of a story, it's why I write.
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Post by Aerandir Calmcacil on Nov 15, 2013 22:34:12 GMT -8
If we were encouraging/assuming the local praxeums would have their own councils, why should we discourage things like the Council of First Knowledge? Sure, we're electing a High Council, but we're all the decision-makers here, we're all cooperative. Of course, that doesn't mean I think just anyone should be able to walk in and claim a spot on these important councils, but I'm not against Sin's character taking up a position if she so chooses.
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Post by Will Sontir on Nov 15, 2013 22:35:20 GMT -8
Im just pointing out what you've said, I even complimented you. Don't besmirch me for being plain with my communication. I have said that none of my concerns are personal. And your language leads the reader to believe that darksiders are the all knowing authors of JvS, in my professional opinion.
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Post by Alpharius on Nov 16, 2013 3:42:07 GMT -8
Facepalm.
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Post by Adi on Nov 16, 2013 7:35:09 GMT -8
Will, that isn't what Sin said at -all-. Sith writers arent all knowing, nor did she imply it, or even give any inkling that is what she meant. You are reading into it far far too much, bro.
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Post by Eli Vandal on Nov 16, 2013 8:32:58 GMT -8
Wow, step away from the computer for a day and this sort of explodes. Well...
There are no Sith writers and there are no Jedi writers, there are just writers. What Sin is trying to say is that the Jedi Order has seen an influx of writers that are willing to help move storylines forward. Sin never said that Sith writers are all knowing and she doesn't mean that. She even clarified that she was talking about the whole of the JvS writer group.
Stifling creativity by limiting outlets is not the way to go. If people are motivated to move the other councils along, I think they should be allowed to do so. As, historically, these councils existed anyway, I don't see any real precedent to say "No, you all can't write them." We are going to get the Jedi Order up on it's feet (we as in all the writers currently working towards it), these are merely the finer details that do not even warrant everyone getting mad at each other. Seriously.
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