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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 16:00:59 GMT -8
Suppose I should make an appearance. Any particular place I should go in this menagerie?
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Jerek Morrows
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Post by Jerek Morrows on Nov 22, 2013 16:18:54 GMT -8
Oh Kad, Jerek is about to get really edgy. Sith petitioning Jedi for help. THIS CAN ONLY GO WELL.
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Devlin Dewe
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Post by Devlin Dewe on Nov 22, 2013 17:11:47 GMT -8
Suppose I should make an appearance. Any particular place I should go in this menagerie? Nope. The High Council Chambers if you want to be among the Masters when Sinistra makes her request. Or meet your fellow sub-council members. Or meet the new High Council.
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Will Sontir
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Post by Will Sontir on Nov 22, 2013 19:06:23 GMT -8
Wow. I haven't noticed how passive aggressive this body also is.
I make an honest attempt at finding a plausible reason for Will to be accepting of being removed so quickly off the Council, through the pain and anguish of loss and the weight or responsibility, confusion of identity based on the different responsibilities he holds inside the Order. Distracted by the loss of his closest friends; conflicted by the fact that his own blood and flesh is partly responsible for the mayhem that has caused with no end in sight and all you guys have to say "man is he selfish" ?
seriously? I'm running with what you guys decide and you largely ignore my contribution and call me out IC?
I honestly am not mad, but more hurt about what I've tangibly done for this order as an author and, beside Dev and Mike I've been held out to dry without so much as a "thanks for the good work, we'll take it from here."
what can I tangibly do for you more? Would direction would like me to go? This way IC made the most sense for Will and he will get some sort of pick me up and continue (unless told otherwise) to be the investigator, watchmen and Headmaster He was before the High Council assignment.
like I have said in the past, I am here if you need me, but I'm already doing a lot.
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Jerek Morrows
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Post by Jerek Morrows on Nov 22, 2013 19:14:49 GMT -8
When you give the world everything, it is rarely enough. I'm not trying to downplay the contribution you're making here, Will, but it sounds like you're expecting gratification rather than writing because you love doing it. The spirit of writing comes in doing it because it's what makes you happy. If it isn't doing that- literally, if you're overdoing it because you enjoy the feeling of gratification- don't.
I don't mean to offend you, I don't mean to detract anything from your skill as a writer, and I don't mean this as a snide backhand. For your own mental well being, do not kill yourself with an overload for the sake of everyone else. Do it for yourself, and if it pays off with gratitude, great. But feeling beaten down and trodden on because of the way others' characters feel and getting angry about it is only going to result in animosity out of character. None of us want that.
Now, that said, you want to keep writing all those parts? Good on you mate. But just because someone else sips the haterade doesn't mean the stuff tastes good. You stay true to yourself, man, and that's the most and best that you can do.
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Will Sontir
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Post by Will Sontir on Nov 22, 2013 21:14:53 GMT -8
Thank you for your sensible response, Jerrik. But honestly I didn't take on those responsibilities because I wanted to, or I am a glory hog. And I didn't put up the recent fight because I was convicted because I felt strongly about the stance I took.
I did all those things because this body needed someone to and was unwilling to step up; so slowly but surely it got put on the plates of the few. Me, Dav, Dev, Inky.
And slowly but surely, more and more got put on us until everything was blamed on us. I didn't want half the storylines, but to foster RPs for those who didn't have any-- I obliged because that is what the Order needed. Not because I love writing five thousand different split timelines and serve at different positions. I don't like being this crabby. But to receive all the crap we get and no gratitude? It grades on you. I don't do it for the gratitude, but I sure as hell don't do it to take shite either. I did it to serve the needs of the Order. Now the Order says they don't need me in the position. Fine. Now I am focusing on wrapping up what I have and shave down the storylines I have left and go from there.
Not to mention continuing to lead the Galactic Senate. Which I am still glad to, but at least they understand where I am coming from.
And supporting Anders on Ossus aggression, and he has been super supportive as well.
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Mike Frantz
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Post by Mike Frantz on Nov 22, 2013 21:19:45 GMT -8
Will I don't think anything was aimed as an attack against you, I think Sin was just commenting on the somewhat somber tone of the meeting in general. Everyone appreciates (and will continue to appreciate) your contributions to the Order, but we are going through a different period for the order and since we can only have 5 on the HC people are just going to have to pull their wait with the other councils or just doing the awesomeness they have been doing in general. Besides, Next November we are going to have this all again and who knows it might be a total shift with 5 completely new councilors. No one is trying to make light of what you've done, but we can't just go around patting everyone on the back for what they've done, our arms would get tired. Just keep doing what you are doing because you want to. You do get credit for your work, even if you don't notice it at the moment.
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Will Sontir
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Post by Will Sontir on Nov 22, 2013 21:26:23 GMT -8
like I said, it isn't the lack of gratitude, which I make a point to give as much as i can, but it is the lack pointing fingers and name calling combined with the lack of gratitude.
The lack of plusses to balance of minusses, just makes one big minus.
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Mike Frantz
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Post by Mike Frantz on Nov 22, 2013 21:31:59 GMT -8
Not to sound like a jerk or anything... but that whole thing just confused me... a lot...
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Will Sontir
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Post by Will Sontir on Nov 22, 2013 21:33:07 GMT -8
if you don't want to give gratitude, fine. I will still serve, it's in my nature. just don't give me shit over it.
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Mike Frantz
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Post by Mike Frantz on Nov 22, 2013 21:43:24 GMT -8
Honestly will, I didn't see anyone giving you shit, if I did I would call them out for it (ask anyone I've done it before)
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Post by Will Sontir on Nov 22, 2013 21:56:18 GMT -8
Really Mike. . .really. . A quick succession of posts "what's with these guys stomping away from there chairs" and "seems like a few only judge themselves by their status in the Order, but whatev" that's passive aggressive. And then the sentiments echoed in this OOC thread here.
if you didn't expect this meeting to be somber with the loss of so many, and no hope for the Jedi insight, idk what war you're in, you know what I am saying. The meeting is meant to be tense and all I hear "lighten up guys, just a revamping of the entire order without recognition of the fallen." on this IC note, the meeting is appropriately somber.
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Lord Sinistra
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Post by Lord Sinistra on Nov 22, 2013 22:04:37 GMT -8
For the record, I wasn't referring to you or Devlin as much as Zion and Jena who seem to genuinely have a beef with being at the meeting or seeing Adi get elected.
Sin's calling the council, someone just needs to answer the holovid.
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Aerandir Calmcacil
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Post by Aerandir Calmcacil on Nov 22, 2013 22:21:10 GMT -8
I'll take it, haven't posted there in a while.
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Mike Frantz
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Post by Mike Frantz on Nov 22, 2013 22:26:40 GMT -8
NOOOOOOO!!!! It's my bloody turn!
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Post by Mike Frantz on Nov 22, 2013 22:29:11 GMT -8
Really Mike. . .really. . A quick succession of posts "what's with these guys stomping away from there chairs" and "seems like a few only judge themselves by their status in the Order, but whatev" that's passive aggressive. And then the sentiments echoed in this OOC thread here. if you didn't expect this meeting to be somber with the loss of so many, and no hope for the Jedi insight, idk what war you're in, you know what I am saying. The meeting is meant to be tense and all I hear "lighten up guys, just a revamping of the entire order without recognition of the fallen." on this IC note, the meeting is appropriately somber. Will, please stop jumping at shadowmen. No one was calling you out or having issues with how we were being somber (yes it's my fault for using the word) It was all about us not being all teamy and being more individual than our sithy counterparts. You are a great guy and I like having you around but you really have to stop taking things so personally. Words are said things get confused and we can't keep blowing up about them every five seconds and not expect to be looked on like a mob of useless infighting children who can't get any stupid little thing done without squabbling over it. So please... STOP SQUABBLING!!!
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Aerandir Calmcacil
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Post by Aerandir Calmcacil on Nov 22, 2013 22:35:48 GMT -8
NOOOOOOO!!!! It's my bloody turn! After discussing it in chat Mike will indeed be carrying out his first ever duty as High Councilor: Answering the phone.
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Eli Vandal
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Post by Eli Vandal on Nov 23, 2013 6:36:33 GMT -8
What are you looking for, here, Will? Gratitude? IC or OOC. Let me do both:
Will, and Dev and Aer, thank you for doing what you all do and what you have done. The fact that you all were on the High Council before this mess, and were willing to stick it out with the site after they said they didn't like how the Order was interacting in general, is very admirable and we as a group are grateful. Not sure if I can say anymore, but you have not gone unnoticed and whether you were re-elected or not, the writers of the Jedi Order (to which I'm proud to now be a part of) appreciate all the work you have done, from the OOC organization to the development of IC storylines, at the sacrifice of your own passions and perhaps sanity ;-).
Now, In character: (taken directly from my post)
You have not been ignored Will. In fact, since you have entered the spire, every post of mine has referenced you directly. I have done this because that is the most surefire to tell someone that you respect them, by trying to write with them. Now, I want to address something and I think I can speak from a certain level of experience:
-I basically built the GTSC from the ground up and never received anything more than complaints about the Patent Office while those who supported it continually pushed the limits of the rules and my patience. I was a Whill Shaman and hardly received any recognition for my services. I have never looked to people to say thank you because that wasn't the point. The point was that I was giving back to a site and the improvement of the site was the reward. If that's not enough for you, that's fine dude, you've done enough and deserve a break. If you want to continue to help, then keep writing and keep attributing to this thread and the stories positively and stop looking for insult. Because, if you're looking for trouble, it can often be very easy to find it. I hope that whatever stress it is that is causing this relieves itself because I know you mean well.
As for the somber mood, well, to each his own. From my writers perspective, I'm seeing Jedi Masters being run roughshod by their emotions, seemingly out of character for someone of their rank. But that's maybe just my view of it, not necessarily correct.
Now, can we please move on as a group, with as much unity as our Jedi characters are supposed to have?
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Post by Ael Jade on Nov 23, 2013 7:08:14 GMT -8
I love the fact that Mike has been relegated to phone duty. For some reason, that made me laugh when I logged in. *gives him a glass of rum, but still keep the rest of the universe's alcohol hidden until various terms and conditions have been met* Saint Crispin's Day... >.< Dev, wow. Though, did you see my reference to the Litany Against Fear yesterday on Honoghr?
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Post by Devlin Dewe on Nov 23, 2013 8:38:17 GMT -8
I am nothing, if not a man of my word. Unfortunately, I missed the reference, I shall endeavor to discover it. Who doesn't like a good Dune reference? ...Or any good reference, for that matter?
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