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Post by Dred Vizsla on Feb 16, 2014 17:59:30 GMT -8
That's up to Dred. It is good to see you though. PS. Dred, I tried to state intentions instead of calling shots. I have a defel in the tunnel, though, and that's who's firing. I'm hoping to have this fight give me a comlink so that I can negotiate your departure and Crom'nen's sudden (and secret) joining of your ranks. That is what we decided ooc right? You leaving in exchange for him agreeing to hand Coruscant and Corellia over to you, working for you within the Senate? First things first. Never assume that powergaming is acceptable at any point. Ever. Second, a simple PM my way or a message here would have sufficed. The Wraith went to search Crom'nen. At no point would they have dropped their respected weapons or lowered them long enough to let any type of aggressive maneuver occur. PG mistake #1. The reaction time that Crom'nen moves would never, and I mean never happen unless he was a Force user, be faster than two combat hardened commandos. PG mistake #2. Seeing the sudden movement from Crom'nen would prompt them to shoot, not be lulled into complacency. Refer back to combat hardened commando. PG mistake #3. The super Jedi move that Magically knocks out the two Wraiths(Combat Hardened Commandos) without them firing at Crom'nen or the Defel Attacker is unrealistic. PG mistake #4. The Defel sniper I'll allow as a surprise attack. But saying it knocks his rifle out of his hand and allows Crom'nen to advance is PG mistake #5.
Unless you edit these mistakes, my next post will be to post cut yours and kill everyone you have which includes your main. Because realistically, Once the shot occurs the Wraith in front might get hit, but he does have this wonderful thing called beskar to protect him, even with the loss of his rifle. He has other weapons on his wrist to compensate for a sudden weapon loss. That will prompt one of the Wraiths to shoot the entrance in the cave and collapse the cave while the other shoots Crom'nen for making an aggressive move BEFORE he gets it off.
Now I don't want your main getting killed, So for the sake of respect for one another, I ask that you rethink that post. I respect your writing and haven't had any issue with it until that little "assumption" misunderstanding. This isn't a threat, this is a matter of fact statement according to the rules of combat as per that the site has set.
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Post by Crom'nen on Feb 17, 2014 7:10:10 GMT -8
Dude, I JUST SAID that I was trying NOT to Power Game. I am posted what Crom'nen was ATTEMPTING to do, not calling hits. Again, let me quote myself. "I tried to state intentions instead of calling shots." I'm trying very hard not to do what you are accusing me of doing. I was trying to make this clear, so if I did not, then I apologize. The last thing I want to be is THAT kind of a writer, especially when I have so enjoyed our interaction.
My thought would be that when the shot fired, they would take their attention off of him, giving him a mere moment to react. Secondly, you stated that they were searching Crom'nen. That post led me to believe that one was keeping his weapon on me, while the others searched me. If this belief is incorrect, then I will need to rethink Crom'nen's plan of attack. Keep in mind that when BP and I set up this encounter OOC many moons ago, I asked for expendable characters that I could kill. Also, I know that I am risking my character, but he is wearing body armor, so as long as they don't aim for the head, I will be shot, wounded, and play dead.
That said, playing dead is not my preference. Eliminating these three so that I might gain a holo-conversation IC does. I will not post further as Crom'nen until we can come to a conclusion that is mutually agreeable, so if you have any specific advice as to how I should proceed, I'm all ears.
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Post by Dred Vizsla on Feb 17, 2014 9:02:17 GMT -8
Just to be clear, what you tried to do and what you wrote were two different things. I agreed to let them be expendable, but I also told you they were Special Forces Death Watch. One Senator, who doesn't use the Force, won't chew through them like wet paper. I know you don't have experience in Search and seizure military procedures, so I'll explain my position in this area. I left it open to allow you to set up and react to what was happening after I started the search. They hadn't reached Crom'nen, they only started moving towards him. The next post would have given you ample time to do most of what you wanted to do to subdue them or kill them. As for the search, one had his gun on him in front, while another would have put his rifle away to search Crom'nen after the other put one hand on him and put his rifle in one hand at the ready, not two while trying to immobilize Crom'nen with the free hand. This creates a failsafe search. Now let's talk numbers. The count is 2 against 3. The Wraiths have more numbers. Beating them won't be that easy. What I suggest is that instead of the Defel guy in the cave, you have two Force-users cloaked to fool the scans of the Wraiths and ambush them that way. You said you had Force-users at your disposal, use them. They would be a match for the Wraiths AND would give Crom'nen the chance to pull off his strikes in the way you said. After the Wraiths initiate the search. Does this make better sense?
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Post by Crom'nen on Feb 17, 2014 13:30:24 GMT -8
Again, I'm trying very hard not to be a dick. Let me write in the original post, with a few words emphasized, just to defend myself.
With a barely noticeable twitch of the lekku, a blaster bolt came from the tunnel, firing AT the hand holding the rifle on Crom'nen. At that same moment, the cylinder extended in length, turning into a quarterstaff, which he twirled, INTENDING to bash both men in the heads and temporarily knock them to the ground and out of the fight. Then he AIMED to use the staff as a baseball bat on the one who had done the talking.
Again, I stated intentions, not success. I'm not saying this to attack you, but to only explain that I was trying very much so not be a dick.
You wrote about the search "*Which the other two proceed to do.*" I had no way of knowing that one searched while the other held a gun to my back and restrained my arms. I did not understand that from your post. So I apologize for assuming that both were doing the searching. I take it you have some type of military training IRL. I work for a non-profit. I am not aware of the standard proceedures of Death Watch commandoes.
My thinking was that I could knock them on the ground, and escape back into the tunnel, and from there do more. Choke points nullify numbers. But I'm trying to do my best, and the Force users that I have access to haven't been posting much lately, and both are engaging your forces. So I'm trying to do the best that I can with what I realistically have access to, mostly being the surprise of the quarter-staff and a sheer gall that they probably wouldn't expect from a people they've been walking over so far. Even though Crom'nen's not a Jedi, he's worked with Mandos on several occasions and knows their abilities and tactics. I feel like it would be Power Gaming to say "suddenly a bunch of Twi'lek show up and shoot at them" since I didn't post them moving into position before then, but that's kinda the best you're leaving me with. So any other suggestions?
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Post by Dred Vizsla on Feb 18, 2014 11:14:15 GMT -8
I'm not saying you're a dick. Please don't feel like you are. It seems as if we've both muddied the waters here. Me, being vague and open with understanding that you would comprehend that I was setting up the actual search with your pending approval. You, with being detailed and missing these meanings of open actions. What I saw, and I could have misunderstood, was that you stated his INTENTIONS were successful in debilitating the two before they got to do said search and subsequent reaction and advanced his attack to the third. As for the shot AT the weapon, I'll allow that action to continue with the weapon being destroyed because I do see that now as not calling a hit after careful re-reading. I do apologize for misunderstanding that part. As for choke-points, it is a choke-point if the flanks are cut off. What I read was that it was taking outside the cave in an open environment. Therefore, the Defel sniper was in the choke-point not the Wraiths. If I missed the part where the Wraith's flanks have been cut off, point it out to me. As for the Force-users, I thought you had NPCs not PCs. I know Mahir and Ellie are with you, but I thought you had your own "private" Force-users. If you have to, I'd allow the "sudden" appearance of more troops because I would believe that Crom'nen wouldn't be out too far away WITHOUT having a emergency response team on standby. At least a Fireteam of four people nearby.
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Post by Crom'nen on Feb 18, 2014 13:05:30 GMT -8
So do you want me to just delete everything in the post after the Defel's shot and go from there? Is that an acceptable middle ground?
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Post by Dred Vizsla on Feb 18, 2014 14:46:50 GMT -8
Sounds fair to me. I'll try to think of a reason for them to drop a comlink for Crom'nen without having some type of serious firefight.
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Post by Bloodrage Pirates on Feb 19, 2014 2:47:25 GMT -8
You'll let ME know? Does this mean you may have some space in your outfit for one such as myself? Maybe, maybe not. I'm just winging it right now.
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Post by Nux on Feb 19, 2014 5:56:06 GMT -8
Well, a girl can't wait around forever. Maybe I'll just come find you.
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Post by Crom'nen on Feb 19, 2014 7:11:40 GMT -8
Alright. Editing.
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Post by Bloodrage Pirates on Feb 20, 2014 4:39:46 GMT -8
Well, a girl can't wait around forever. Maybe I'll just come find you. Nar Shaddaa refugee sector.
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Post by Jedi Knight Mahir on Feb 24, 2014 13:03:27 GMT -8
Sounds fair to me. I'll try to think of a reason for them to drop a comlink for Crom'nen without having some type of serious firefight. If you're willing to work with me on it, I can stage a minor attack on the trio, almost simultaneously with Crom's ambush. It would only be my one knight against the three of them, and it would be at range. He's also having difficulty using the force right now, so he'll be using his charric as much as possible. That way the three can drop back as Crom vanishes after filching a comlink from one of the guys searching him? I know that's not the most realistic thing for trained commandos to do, but surprises are never a good thing in the commando lifestyle, so it might be enough to create just enough confusion for Crom to survive his escape and theft, though I wouldn't be surprised if he were wounded in the process. But that's up to y'all. and if this isn't feasible that's cool, I just didn't have him doing anything important right now and figured he could be the excuse you both needed for things go differently than they otherwise would. I hope you don't mind my intrusion.
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Post by Crom'nen on Feb 24, 2014 13:53:28 GMT -8
Sounds fair to me. Dred?
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Post by Dred Vizsla on Feb 24, 2014 22:40:45 GMT -8
Yeah, I'm on board. If you want you can toast the one that got the weapon blasted out of his hand, allowing Crom to grab the commlink off his corpse while the other two shoot it out with Mahir and the Defel. That makes it more feasible and easier for Crom to get away. Let me post my search and reaction before you do this Mahir. I know I've been away for a while but I'll post tomorrow.
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Post by Dred Vizsla on Feb 25, 2014 19:30:02 GMT -8
Sounds fair to me. I'll try to think of a reason for them to drop a comlink for Crom'nen without having some type of serious firefight. If you're willing to work with me on it, I can stage a minor attack on the trio, almost simultaneously with Crom's ambush. It would only be my one knight against the three of them, and it would be at range. He's also having difficulty using the force right now, so he'll be using his charric as much as possible. That way the three can drop back as Crom vanishes after filching a comlink from one of the guys searching him? I know that's not the most realistic thing for trained commandos to do, but surprises are never a good thing in the commando lifestyle, so it might be enough to create just enough confusion for Crom to survive his escape and theft, though I wouldn't be surprised if he were wounded in the process. But that's up to y'all. and if this isn't feasible that's cool, I just didn't have him doing anything important right now and figured he could be the excuse you both needed for things go differently than they otherwise would. I hope you don't mind my intrusion. Sorry it took me so long. I have a mild touch of food poisoning. Finally posted.
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Post by Jedi Knight Mahir on Feb 27, 2014 19:10:08 GMT -8
I hope you're feeling better soon.
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Post by Dred Vizsla on Feb 27, 2014 21:03:41 GMT -8
I still feel kinda crummy, but at least I've been able keep down solids today.
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Post by Jedi Knight Mahir on Feb 27, 2014 21:24:31 GMT -8
progress is good, and I posted for you and Crom. I've had a couple of mild doses myself. Not pleasant times, wish I could do more than empathize with you though.
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Post by Atia on Feb 28, 2014 9:37:35 GMT -8
Mahir, how about that post in orbit for me?
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Post by Dred Vizsla on Mar 1, 2014 7:07:22 GMT -8
I'll do my best to post something today or tomorrow.
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