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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2013 1:24:21 GMT -8
Greetings all, today I put forth a thread to the PGC located here: jedivsith.boards.net/thread/1529/revision-rulingfor those of you who can't be bothered reading the thread, it is basically a 'petition' to the PGC to review the wording regarding the fact that NPCs cannot be as powerful or more powerful than a PC, which as it stands means a 5 year old who can handle a lightsaber could kill 50 mando commando's clad in cheap beskar. anyway... vote and comment with your thoughts |
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Post by Xeonon Solomon on Jul 1, 2013 6:10:00 GMT -8
I tend to agree with this idea partially. Yes that ruling was made at a time when well you could make an NPC and then just Zerg rush a person with a trillion Jedi Masters.
The site however has matured to a point that it doesn't do that. In fact I am sure that there are many people who do this anyways but just don't bring it to light.
So why not make an addendum saying something along the lines.
"Any major NPC that has sufficient back story and training could be considered an equal to a PC."
Now obviously that is the 10 second version for the fix up and it probably needs someone who can write fancy things but I feel you bro.
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Post by Bloodshot on Jul 1, 2013 19:05:59 GMT -8
The entire problem with the wording is the "more powerful than a PC" or "equal to a PC" portion. The power level of a PC is a completely subjective one, and varies widely from character to character. I've seen a PC who is too fragile to engage in any kind of physical combat without breaking bones, yet with the way this rule is worded, that PC is still more powerful than a mandalorian general NPC clad in full bes'kar. It simply defies all reason and common sense.
If the rule is going to stay, I think the parameters of PC-level power need to be much more clearly defined. Something like "Due to the effects of plot shielding, NPC's that are master-level force users or combatants will always be slightly outmatched by PC's with similar levels of training and/or skill. This also applies to knight-level force users or combatants and padawan-level force users or combatants". Which I think was the original spirit of the rule anyway and it was just very poorly worded.
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Post by Aherk Fyyar on Jul 2, 2013 16:30:45 GMT -8
I'd like to see this go through. I really would. But this would have to be handled very, very delicately.
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Post by Diva, from Aeons Torn on Jul 3, 2013 8:32:59 GMT -8
How about instead of nit picking power levels that I'm probably going to circumvent with closed RP arcs, you just play by my golden rule: never call hits on NPCs or their gear. Instead, you just call an attack, and since the NPC isn't generally stronger than, say, Darth Vader on cocaine, they will have to be bested or fought against accordingly.
e.g: instead of saying, "I'm a jedi and you have commandos, they shoot at me. They are NPCs so they miss and I dance around their shots and then proceed to cut them and make star patterns on their collective butts." You say, "The commandos fire upon me, and because they are skilled, a mess of bolts are coming for my head. I block with a lightsaber, deflect a few bolts back, but mostly just focus on repelling the attack since there are so many." The person controlling the NPCs should then respond in turn, and so on and so forth.
You may say it slows RP down, but I have yet to have such a problem using this model, and it helps flesh out battles in detail.
Really, even if you did argue this point, people will just flood the place with alts.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2013 11:48:35 GMT -8
^ That actually makes a LOT of sense coming from a slightly crazy person.
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Post by Bloodshot on Jul 9, 2013 12:17:55 GMT -8
^ That actually makes a LOT of sense coming from a slightly crazy person. ...says another slightly crazy person. |
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Post by Bloodshot on Jul 9, 2013 12:20:18 GMT -8
In all seriousness though, Diva's post is a perfect example of what I'd like to see reflected in the rules. It's just common sense applied to writing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2013 12:22:09 GMT -8
^ That actually makes a LOT of sense coming from a slightly crazy person. ...says another slightly crazy person. Who? What? Who said that. ...Who the KRIFF said that. I'm onto you! I'm onto all of you!!! |
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Post by Dav Man'Sell on Jul 12, 2013 19:02:00 GMT -8
To me, a simplified version would be something like no NPC may be more powerful than a PC of similar training, skill, and experience.
So, a Jedi Master NPC with 10 years experience and sword-play focused training cannot best an Jedi Master PC with similar amount of experience, sword-play focus, etc. And a 5 year old PC would totally beat a 5 year old NPC at tag. But the Jedi Master NPC can still... umm... put the five year old on the naughty step. Or... something.
It's, like, 4am here, and my brain isn't functioning at full, but... I think you all get what I mean by that... right?
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