The Major
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Post by The Major on Nov 2, 2013 18:02:35 GMT -8
Characters develop, and sometimes they take a life of their own. Sometimes that life is something you the writer hates.
Anyway, romances often times come up, but when I read them they seem so contrived and a eye roll fest. Sometimes writers do a decent portrayal. What do you guys and girls think? Overdone? Corny? Great? Meg?
Personally I think a better narrative comes from a character who loves someone who never will return that feeling, but uses it.
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Tiro Saul
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Post by Tiro Saul on Nov 3, 2013 15:04:54 GMT -8
Political power also good reason, but all together not worth it!
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Post by Alpharius on Nov 3, 2013 15:21:40 GMT -8
Says you, a successful woman can run a planet from between her thighs.
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Post by Ali Hadrix on Nov 3, 2013 21:52:58 GMT -8
Romance in writing itself isn't corny, it all depends on how it's done. I've seen romance stories here that are more interesting and well written than most combat scenarios, where realism has no meaning whatsoever. That's not to say romantic stories here don't fall prey to the same failures, they do, but not simply because they are romantic in nature.
Romance taken too fast seems without merit, and more for the writers themselves than the characters. But romance taken with an element of reality reflects quite well on the writer(s) involved. However, I will say that I think the best romance stories on JvS are written by those who have experienced real relationships and understand how people function in them. Just as the best combat scenes are written by those who have some experience or knowledge in those areas. A caveat to that last bit, though, is that tactics, technology, weaponry and their employment in battle are things that can simply be researched, and better written on because of that research. Romance is a trickier beast, because you can't learn anything about it simply by researching it. It takes experience to understand how relationships of all kinds between people develop, change, etc and so forth.
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Post by Dav Man'Sell on Nov 4, 2013 8:58:57 GMT -8
I'd say Aaron has a big part of it right. Emotional maturity in the writers, being reasonable, grown up, and having had proper relationships in the past, is so important.
I think the other key importance is that, just like in real life, you can't force a romantic involvement for a character, especially with another player character. The characters have to be right, both as individuals and for each other. I've seen a lot - I don't want to say most, but definitely a lot - that have been entirely forced. The writers decided they wanted to write a romance together (sometimes as an aside to or in place of some romantic engagement they harboured themselves, which often goes wrong) and have just thrown two characters, that made little sense together, together, purely because they decided they wanted to write a romance. Then things quickly escalate to marriage, children, stereotypes and cliche, all of it contrived, unrealistic, and entirely to fast.
In my opinion, deciding to write a romance that way is a bad idea. If you want to explore a romantic aspect of your character, and want to do it well, then these things need to take time, they need to happen for a reason, with the right person and under the right circumstances, there needs to be challenges along the way, and ultimately, they need to be done with a sense of realism. Dav and Tebana are probably the longest standing couple on JvS. Written by myself and Betti (Tebana's writer) since the very early days of 1.0, where their romance built from a basis in friendship, and continuing to this day (albeit with Tebana predominantly NPC'd by me for the past year or two). For me, the joy of Dav and Tebana's relationship was that neither of us planned it or intended it. Neither of us had any intention at all to have our characters in a romantic relationship - quite to the contrary, I actually was more inclined to have Dav completely avoid any kind of romance RP. What happened was that we wrote together more or less every single day, the characters went through hell with one another, their closeness grew quite organically over time, and Betti and I reached the mutual realisation that our characters, if they were real people, probably would have had feelings for each other, based solely on their interactions and the way that relationship had developed IC. We'd never set out to write that, it had never been manoeuvred or planned, it just came very, very naturally out of their repeated interactions and growing closeness.
Most importantly of all, it was also always exclusively IC. There was no OOC blurring of that line. Our characters were in a relationship; we, as writers, were not. We're very good friends, the best of them, but never anything other than that. I think because we weren't interested in each other as writers, and because we'd never set out to make it happen, we could write our characters free from any kind of trappings, any kind of preconceptions or any kind of complexities caused by OOC. Kept it simple, kept it natural, and kept it real.
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Lord Jud'dayus: The Debase
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Post by Lord Jud'dayus: The Debase on Nov 4, 2013 9:06:14 GMT -8
Personally, because I hate all affection, I'm not too inclined to write any "love scenes". To me, introducing a love story can end one of two ways...
Either you get the "Transformers" facepalm, or the beauty of "Breaking Bad"... Let me explain.
"Transformers" was - for all intensive purposes - a Love story with giant robots. Being a product of the 80's I went to go see it in theaters, despite knowing that Micheal Bay directed the film. I was actually sold, for the first ten minutes of the film. Actually excited as Blackout decimated that forward base, but then and suddenly, we're thrown into the love life of an exasperated teen. F that, they took a great concept and basically gave it a kick in the happy-sack. Who the F cares about some dopey teen and his outrageously, out-of-his-league, bombshell costar? Anyways, this movie is a fail in my book, on how "Love" should be introduced or even interwoven into a story or plot.
Which brings me to;
"Breaking Bad"... Now talk about a tumultuous amount of emotions, but the basic stem of the entire evolution of Walter White is out of "Love" for his family. The necessity to do right for those he loves. Now that's powerful stuff. It's not some teenage coming of age, fondling adventure BS. It's painfully real life, it hits a nerve, it's completely visceral. To watch a man continue to do the "wrong" things for the right reasons is cringe-worthy, but that grittiness is paramount to why a story such as BB will always trump a robot invasion that has to be stopped by a premature ejaculator.
Anyways... "Love" has it's place in an RP, but it has to be real, not this fru-fru, fuzzy wuzzy, eyelash batting BS...
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