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Post by Eremiel on Nov 22, 2013 15:20:01 GMT -8
I third it as the other active member I know about. I think Zalor should be our PR guy. Jerek I imagine is the handler as such, tells us where we are needed most and assigns us our assets as is required such as money, back-up reinforcements and the like. Hate to make another AC reference but similar to what you do with Ezio with his assassins he recruits, sends them off to do missions, sometimes with others, sometimes not.
The only other thing would be extractions that may require levels of covert military force. As such do you think we should develop a sort of Black Ops (Do not dare to relate this to COD you mo fo's) posse or should that be a Galactic Republic 'cooperation' type thing or what not? The GR running it would be more interesting but hella more complicated and 'risky' for us as agents, while us running ourselves makes us self dependant, easier, but creates a risk of being more noticed and becoming a bit 'para-military'. Just a thought to ponder. No matter how good we are, we might find ourselves in a position where the information we have gained is worth the risk of retrieving the hunted shadow.
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Post by Devlin Dewe on Nov 22, 2013 15:27:20 GMT -8
The only other thing would be extractions that may require levels of covert military force. As such do you think we should develop a sort of Black Ops (Do not dare to relate this to COD you mo fo's) posse or should that be a Galactic Republic 'cooperation' type thing or what not? The GR running it would be more interesting but hella more complicated and 'risky' for us as agents, while us running ourselves makes us self dependant, easier, but creates a risk of being more noticed and becoming a bit 'para-military'. Just a thought to ponder. No matter how good we are, we might find ourselves in a position where the information we have gained is worth the risk of retrieving the hunted shadow. If I may interject a moment? Arcturus and I were discussing something along similar lines for the Council of Reassignment, most particularly the Exploration Corps and the Jedi Aces. Since we have a Corps of (mostly) failed Knights, we thought it might be cool if we were the cavalry the Watchmen called in when needed while the rest of the Order is our cavalry and we could help extract Shadows. As far as who knows you are Shadows and not just stranded Jedi in need of a ride, well, that depends on you and your mission. Just thought I'd throw that out there for you guys to be aware of. Whether you like it, hate it, or fall somewhere in-between, I'd like to get your opinions on the matter.
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Post by Yolem on Nov 22, 2013 15:44:26 GMT -8
As I have played a Jedi Shadow before I'd like to toss my 2 cents in. Just ideas that hopefully will help you First of all: Keep Endor as the main base. Colllect the data there and once an initiate has proven himself he gets there to train to become a Jedi Shadow. As for being closer to the on-goings: keep different bases. A motel, a bar with several back rooms, a store for electronical devices. Try to avoid having doubles. Ord Mantell would not be my first choice. Nar Shaddaa is in the Mid-Rim and let's face it: the Hutts are corrupt but you'll find every information there you're looking for. The military force... no need for a usergroup but I always loved the concept of the Antarian Rangers. Normal people and weak Force-users in favor of the Jedi. Well trained and usable for so many things. Last but not least the leadership. Shadows need an intense training and later on travel most of their times. Why not have the 'stationary' master who commands the base on Endor. The travelling one who gets to the safe houses. Of course as a Jedi Shadow has to be versatile you could switch position now and then. This is solely my humble opinion. Use what helps you, dimiss the rest. Edit: Yes, I know the Antarian Rangers themselves never had ANY Force users. Stil... you get the idea
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Jerek Morrows
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Post by Jerek Morrows on Nov 22, 2013 16:07:20 GMT -8
Sometimes, having non force users around helps give a good perspective. A lot of Force sensitives forget to rely on things other than the Force, and get too caught up in the mysteries to remember to focus on the present.
That said, the reason we would move the main base from Endor would be to keep a closer tie to the Order itself. In a way, none of our bases will be the "main" base. It makes us easy targets. We can uproot and move whenever it becomes prudent, and leave no trace. Endor is sort of our hive. Newbies train, get low ranking missions, and gain perspectives there before moving into the big leagues. The major agents would move all around the galaxy, and operate out of the nearest safe house until it was time to move on.
I like the idea of the Exploration Team being involved as the combat ops, and extraction from behind enemy lines. Gives us more interaction with other parts of the Order we're not generally going to be involved with.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2013 23:07:12 GMT -8
The interaction with the exploration team sounds promising. It's also nice to know that back up and extraction are possible should things get too hairy. Even for a Shadow.
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Eremiel
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Post by Eremiel on Nov 24, 2013 3:46:43 GMT -8
We are too expensive and time consuming to let die. Even in real life Spies are worth the lives of soldiers due to how expensive and specialized their skill set is.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2013 10:53:01 GMT -8
This is very true. Some wouldn't understand it, but this is what is meant by "assets". The intel that a spy possesses is more vital than a thousand ground infantrymen lives.
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Jerek Morrows
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Post by Jerek Morrows on Nov 24, 2013 13:12:18 GMT -8
Well. From a completely Jedi perspective, all lives are sacred,but a Jedi's life is sacrifice. If it comes down to one of us or a thousand troops, it is both our duty and our prerogative to make the sacrifice play. That said, if it can be prevented, that would be optimal.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2013 13:27:08 GMT -8
I concur with that, I was just stating it from a Real world perspective. Of course our lives aren't more precious than any one else's. IC that is. We are the ones doing things off grid to alleviate the sole burden of the Order.
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Post by Jerek Morrows on Nov 24, 2013 17:26:28 GMT -8
Oh yeah, completely agreed on that. I don't want us all throwing away our Shadows like they're expendable. The reality is, we're not, and we should be really bloody good at what we do in order that we never have to worry about compromising our identities, a mission, or the Order's standing with the Republic. So, when you're writing, keep that in mind. "If I do this, what's going to happen?" Your actions have consequences. With these characters, one misstep can cause a catastrophe. For the most part, we can do damage control, but if you act openly as Jedi when your mission lies somewhere in the gray area like "take out the corrupt senator" or "eliminate ____," there will be massive fallout. And if you're found out, you aren't a Jedi. You're perceived as an enemy of the Order. Not a damn thing we can do for you. Same line of thinking, since we're talking about the integrity of our secrets; IC, if you receive info, it is privileged. You all know this, but if you're talking to someone who isn't a Shadow who doesn't have clearance, there is a zero disclosure policy. Even among the Shadows, we're gonna keep some things that way. The network is expansive, and largely tappable as needed. But it's like Shield Level 7. Classified. You can't access information above your clearance. Gotta run a tightly knit operation if you're gonna get it off the ground, right? Recap: Do your best never to be put into a situation you can't get out of. If you do get into such a situation, do not reveal anything. Not even who you are. If you have to die, die. If you can be extracted, be patient. We won't leave you behind. I will come my damn self if no one else is volunteering. We are important. The information we collect and pass along is absolutely vital. But we are still Jedi. And to accentuate the importance of what Octavius said: we are the ones working behind the scenes for the good of the Order. We do things that the others cannot do, and cannot be seen doing.
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Zalor Anneri
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Post by Zalor Anneri on Nov 24, 2013 18:29:29 GMT -8
I gotta say, Jerek, I'm glad I have someone like you on board. Stuff like this was never really delved into with my old writing team. We still pretty much just did our own thing. It's good to know someone has the specifics of all this Jedi spy stuff down to a science. I'll admit I'm still not the best at all the stealthy stuff.
Speaking of stealthy stuff, if you're new to this group, and you don't have Force Cloak as one of your top 10 Force Powers, you will need to learn it before you're approved for Shadows ops. That's my one rule. It'll get you out of major jams. (I hope everyone can agree on this, at least.)
One thing I'm afraid of for Zalor is a major change that he's gonna have to undergo in light of these new changes to the group. In the past, Zalor always worked closely with a group of his closest friends - a fellow Jedi Shadow, a couple of droids, and a handful of non-Force sensitives. There were usually about six or seven of them in all - working on the same op. Now, I'm afraid Zalor might have to work solo. Too many team members on the same op might cause troubles, although I'm open to ideas on that subject.
There's plenty of other aspects of the old Jedi Shadows that I'd like to slowly integrate in our new group, but they'll have to wait until we can decide collectively how it's all going to work. One thing at a time.
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Jerek Morrows
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Post by Jerek Morrows on Nov 24, 2013 19:02:40 GMT -8
Zalor, if you want to work as a team, you need to figure out the best way to use their combined talents. Jerek, for instance, blends with crowds and becomes part of his mission. He goes plain-clothes and acts as a civilian, almost completely invisible by virtue of no one knowing who he is, beyond his false identity. And when he's done, he just disappears.
You could try to find something that fits your niche to that end. Someone mentioned the idea of you running a shop somewhere, or a bar. Lots of secrets get passed through places like that. But I understand if you want to get your hands dirty, too. Then, you might try your hand at work as a smuggling crew- as a front, of course.
Any amount of things. Just think it out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2013 22:50:27 GMT -8
Pops in and waves a furry little paw and his minions...erm...fellow Jedi whom he may assign missions to Sku all. So what have you gotten down pat so far?
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Post by Miras on Nov 25, 2013 9:45:24 GMT -8
My character is currently assigned to CorSec as an Investigator, but once everything is ironed out with you fellows I'd be very interested in joining. A Jedi detective seems like just the sort to be recruited into your order, as well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 11:00:25 GMT -8
Rawkill, no need to report back that which is incomplete. Miras, we welcome anyone who wants to join. The more the merrier.
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Zalor Anneri
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Post by Zalor Anneri on Nov 25, 2013 11:57:51 GMT -8
Those of you just hopping on board, apply for the group so I can add you.
Once that's done, we need to figure out how I'm going to track you all down and give you the invite to Endor in-character. Remember, people aren't supposed to know we exist. Zalor will have to meet with you all in secret and give you the coordinates to our Enclave.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 14:24:32 GMT -8
I've been playing Octavious as a Shadow for a while now. Jerek and the CoFK know of me. Or at least should by now if not already. If you want, we can have a back story saying you've heard of me but haven't met me directly.
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Jerek Morrows
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Post by Jerek Morrows on Nov 25, 2013 14:37:00 GMT -8
I've been playing Octavious as a Shadow for a while now. Jerek and the CoFK know of me. Or at least should by now if not already. If you want, we can have a back story saying you've heard of me but haven't met me directly. Speaking of, Octavious was present for final moments of Carida, right? Can I get any and all intel on the attacking fleet that you can process? It's vital to the defense of Kuat. Damn, look at that! You're already contributing Oct!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 15:18:20 GMT -8
Of course. You can say the intel you need has already been sent. Although I'm sure Sin knows the spec's on Taung's forces already. I'm sure Adi will agree with what is said about how Carida was destroyed.
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Jerek Morrows
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Post by Jerek Morrows on Nov 25, 2013 15:36:10 GMT -8
Sweet deal, grazie amico. That'll move things right along.
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