Xeonon Solomon
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Nov 8, 2014 6:38:17 GMT -8
Post by Xeonon Solomon on Nov 8, 2014 6:38:17 GMT -8
I am sure many if not all of you were saddened by the disbandment and closing of the GBA. If you are syaing "What when did this happen". Well screw you and the Bantha you rode in on. However as before this was just temporary. I want this baby back and on the horse. However this time I am asking you the public about ideas. What are somethings you have in mind that could make it more user friendly and less daunting. Its not that I dont have ideas shifts his eyes warily its that I want to hear yours. I can only think up so many things and everyone together can bring back this great thing to the site.
So come on give me some idears.
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Faust Skirata
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Post by Faust Skirata on Nov 8, 2014 7:36:18 GMT -8
In-universe incentives for one. Betting used to be a big deal in the earlier days of 1.5
Maybe part of the reason the GBA died is because no one could be bothered to finish their match. Instituting forfeiture policies like we have during tournaments might end that. Unless otherwise agreed, if you can't be bothered to make a post in two weeks you forfeit the match and take a loss to your score, regardless of the number of posts in the duel.
My one cent.
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Liya Tawaza
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Nov 8, 2014 10:31:46 GMT -8
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Post by Liya Tawaza on Nov 8, 2014 10:31:46 GMT -8
You need to find ways to draw in new participants who might otherwise think that a duel is too complicated/daunting or that they're not good enough.
And perhaps a more visible leaderboard of current rankings would help? Everybody likes some friendly bragging rights.
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Xeonon Solomon
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Nov 8, 2014 11:40:54 GMT -8
Post by Xeonon Solomon on Nov 8, 2014 11:40:54 GMT -8
I actually have something in mind regarding the leader boards and bragging rights.
I remember seeing the betting room and other things that were tried and left by the wayside on 1.5 while I lurked in the closets of the GBA. Dont get me wrong I have been one of the staunchest supporters of incentives for IC rewards. The only problem for that is two fold. The economy is in shambles, as in there is none and credits mean diddly these days. The other one is that rewards dont mean the same to two different people. A Jedi character might fight tooth and nail for a Lambent Crystal but what does that crystal mean to a non-force user?
The one thing I could see working is having a handful of items to choose from. Or something universal.
An agreement between two people saying person X if they win gets item Y. Is another route to take with it. After all when it comes to rules its made by the two duelists. GBA standard rules which are used most often differ to my knowledge little if at all the open Uni rules. In fact I am using the GBA to fight an IC duel right now and moving on the with story (see Panno vs Talon).
I would be interested in hearing what you would think are good punishments for lack of a better term. Right now its after three months a judge is to archive and only judge if 8 or more posts have been made in the duel. Thats hardly reprimanding someone but there isnt a whole lot you can do that comes to my mind.
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Nov 8, 2014 13:43:35 GMT -8
Post by Faust Skirata on Nov 8, 2014 13:43:35 GMT -8
The collapse of the economy led to a lot of problems in my opinion, but that's another discussion.
Archiving duels without a ruling is pointless. If they're inactive, it's the fault of whomever didn't post when it became their turn. It should count as a forfeiture. Pick up the pace of things instead of letting it stagnate. People begin duels, and then when they feel they're going to lose, or they simply lose interest, they simply stop posting. Then it sits there for three months. That's ludicrous. Two weeks maximum, and then the last person to post should be given the victory. There doesn't need to be a punishment, only consequences.
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Nov 8, 2014 17:23:20 GMT -8
Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2014 17:23:20 GMT -8
The economy is in shambles, as in there is none and credits mean diddly these days. I'm sorry, but by credit's meaning diddly, do you mean they actually never meant anything, and were purely bits on a screen that, when grouped together in a certain way, were converted into a collection of numbers and letters on a computer screen that the GEC said were 'worth' a set amount? or that they meant nothing, cause realistically, considering that more than 50% of the site that had bank accounts had several trillion's worth of credits that were just sitting there doing nothing, and people could earn several trillion more from planetary taxes by sitting around doing nothing, effectively meant the economy was in shambles anyway? or do you perhaps mean the decision by the GRPEC (now the PGC, of which you are technically a HC of now), that these number hoarders were getting out of hand and would not realistically work in this or any other universe/multiverse/dimension/reality as an actual economy, and instead decided to base the economy on actual written RP proof and that everyone was expected to track their own credits? Because if you mean the third option, then you could not be more wrong that the economy is fucked and credits mean diddly. Fact of the matter is, before it was decided that actual properly written out RP was required to show earnings, and that the GEC/GRPEC/PGC was not going to be tracking them in an OOC bank, the economy was a load of shit, aside from the small handful of people that were doing things properly (like yourself and Ice). The whole thing was literally restructured to encourage more people to be like yourself, and actually write things out, as opposed to sitting around claiming they were earning anything. The fact people need some OOC bank with trillions of unused credits sitting around that they could in no way feasibly spend in several lifetimes and would cause everything to be worthless in a realistic economy, to feel like credits are "worth" anything or that the economy "works", is quite distrubing, especially on a site that is meant to be about writing stories... As for the GBA itself, aside from my personal dislike of it (considering the attitudes of certain Judges and High "Judges" in the past), the place has always been more of a side-show attraction on JvS, like the JoTW and the HNN. And rules wise, the standard GBA rules are actually far stricter on what is and is not allow, at least that is the idea that has always been championed by the GBA in the past (point-in-case: the PO used to have a field asking if something was going to be used in the GBA or not). Then you got the fact that you literally had to post-cut a post-cut that post-cutted another post-cut to win (despite apparently post-cuts not being allowed), or certain winning decisions being rather jaded in past tournaments. On top of that, the GBA has always been for duellists, which in the past there were a lot of, but nowadays, there is only a handful left of, it has never really been marketed as something useful to the everyday writer (due in part to its out of the way nature, since it sits between the universe and the OOC boards).
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Xeonon Solomon
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Post by Xeonon Solomon on Nov 8, 2014 18:40:50 GMT -8
You see if I was one of the other older HCs for the GBA I would probably jump down your throat here. Thankfully for both of us I am not any of them. Even if I want to. What do I mean about the economy? You summed it pretty well right there. It meant diddly before it was scrapped due to credit hoarding. It means diddly now because there is no place for money to go. Real, fake, imagined or flawed it being scrapped ruined a portion of RPing. However that is neither here NPR there. This is about the GBA and not the PGC.
Literally everyone complains about unfairness, corruption and shit like that. There is no corruption. There is no favoritism. Judges are asked to judge mock duels in order to see if they make the cut. Then their work is reviewed by every single judge. Majority rules.
Maybe you refer to the fact that people feel slighted or that specific players always seem to win against others. I call blulderdash. In my tenure as a judge and current HC there has never been a person request a rejudgment. No wait there was one and it was a tourney duel. You know what happens then? We as a collective look at the duel and each on our own decide a winner and if it appears the judgment was correct tough shit.
The only time any sort of restrictions came into play is during tournaments. You know why? The force is OP as fucking shit. In canon you have people absorbing lightsabers and blowing up planets never getting tired and so on. So to level the playing field so non force characters aren't tossed around like a god dammed ragdoll people are told to calm their shit. Any other time it is free range. The patent office is closed and as such your argument is invalid. If one was to use or even look at duels you will see a little thing people used called "weapons and armour in profile" and this is as stated. If the person agrees to what is in the persons profile it's fair game. Canon or non-canon.
Post cuts are and always have been a sore point. It's about competitive writing. If you look at many of the well written guides you will find one on post cutting ettiquite. In the first paragraph It states that you should do your damnedest to preserve your opponents post. I can think of one person who post cut every post and you know what. Fuck that guy, he is a damn good duelist and I respect him but in that one instance he is a right prick. They are however 100% allowed but most people don't do it because it's complicated.
Are we a sideshow attraction? Hell fucking no. It has been used for IC actions. That's what I am trying to market now. Or maybe you just wanted to come in and bash it because the HNN failed and all the OOC boards are falling by the wayside. I want this to come back. I am willing to try and get it back, and I want people's opinions on what will make it better. If you are not here to offer suggestions kindly fuck off back to Lego land.
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Lord Jud'dayus: The Debase
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Nov 8, 2014 20:36:17 GMT -8
Post by Lord Jud'dayus: The Debase on Nov 8, 2014 20:36:17 GMT -8
Econ = a waste of fucking time. Plain and simple.
Anyways..........
GBA bashing. Oh, that's new. Goody good gumdrops. I love sore buttholes. Look, Xeo was asking for constructive responses, not personal flak. And this is where I state my constructive opinion.
Xeo, maybe You can talk to Monte or Chill about making badges for Tourney winners, runners up, top duelist, etc... nothing brings out the masses like something shiny and precious... So, yeah, incentives. Tourneys were always the high point of the year for most of us GBAers... I personally miss them, and the people who'd compete. Maybe a Tourney is in order - of course we'd need judges - and that brings us to the start again.
that's all I got. sorry.
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Xeonon Solomon
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Nov 9, 2014 4:29:29 GMT -8
Post by Xeonon Solomon on Nov 9, 2014 4:29:29 GMT -8
Someone else had said badges or medals, and those two were going to be my pick particularly Monte for all his work on the Sithies ones. Of course I was hoping for some surprises but that went straight out the window You are right though all of this is a moot point without judges, and I had not meant for this to be a recruiting thread but hey any port in the storm.
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Nov 9, 2014 9:03:08 GMT -8
Post by Ishmael on Nov 9, 2014 9:03:08 GMT -8
A sideshow attraction? *shrugs*. I've been on this site for six years now, and participated in every section of it to some degree. Nothing has brought me more satisfaction than participating in the GBA. As a former judge I'll contest to the end that there ever was any sort of bias. From someone that's observed and participated in the inner workings of the system, I'm telling you I've never before seen such a dedication to fair ruling. Fights were gone over in extreme detail, every sentence analyzed repeatedly. The amount of work that goes into judging a fight is staggering. Dislike it all you want, but don't presume to place it in the category of a sideshow attraction.
...where was I going with this?
Anyway, I don't have any advice for you Xeonon. However I do appreciate the work that you and the other judges put into maintaining the arena, and I'm deeply saddened to see it on a hiatus now. If the time comes for it to re open, you can count on me being the first to post a challenge.
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