Altair Sirraf
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Post by Altair Sirraf on Jan 6, 2017 23:52:57 GMT -8
Im creating this forum thread with the hopes of gathering together anyone who wishes to weigh in or even take part in forming a role players group of Chiss to try and put together a Faction or maybe just see where it can go.
First off I've been gone for a few years and am only recently returned so if there are Chiss players already out there doing this I'm not trying to step on your toes and would gladly welcome your acceptance and input with this. Anyone that's been looking to do the same, now we have a place to fletch out our ideas and try and build from the ground up if there are no pre-existing Rpers to build off of.
For those who are unaware and don't want to jump to a wiki article, this is a little bit of info about the Chiss. (I'll be brief and I am by no means an expert on this species)
The Chiss Ascendancy (or Chiss empire by the ignorant outsiders) is made up of as many as 12 families of blue skinned aliens that span some 28 colenies within the Unknown Regions of space from their capital planet of Csilla.
In the past they have been a technologically advanced if xenophobic species, thinking themselves superior than outsiders and taking new customs and ideologies very slowly. They have been a force within the Unknown Sector since before the formation of the republic and have continued to be a force to be reckoned with ever since, though they have taken several very brutal beatings over the years by races such as the Vong.
Probably the most popular among Chiss is the one Grand Admiral Thrawn. He was a military leader and an outlier of the Ascendancy but many Chiss followed and looked up to him. He may be a role model to many but he is by no means a poster boy of the species in the eyes of the Ascendancy and the rulers of the Ruling Families that make up their parliament.
I know there have been a few dozen players who have written Chiss in the past, and I even recall in 1.5 several banded together to cause quite a ruckus before I think the Mandalorians put them down(feel free to correct me, it's been years). But if we have no where else to start... we should start here, and see who had any interest!
Feel free to post here or even PM me if you've got questions!
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Post by Altair Sirraf on Jan 7, 2017 0:03:05 GMT -8
As I understand it, at the beginning of last year the First Order sacked the Chiss Captial world of Csilla, This would be a wonderful starting point for any sort of Rp whose focus would be bringing it back, whether that leaned towards aiding the First Order in their domination of the Galexy, Or kicking the Arrogant outsiders out of Chiss Space?
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Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Jan 7, 2017 18:10:01 GMT -8
I do wanna state that the First Order did not sack the capital world. Nicademus sought to preserve Chiss Space as much as possible in order to ensure they could contribute much to the First Order. They only smashed the enemy fleet and forced their capitulation, then incorporated them into their ranks, letting Chiss soldiers serve as Imperial Stormtroopers, pilots, commanders, and so forth. So Chiss have been given exceptional treatment as Nicademus has great respect for them compared to other alien species.
We were thinking of making them a puppet government under the Dominion group, but since they left, I decided to integrate them. First Order soldiers help keep the peace and maintain order alongside Chiss soldiers and the local governments are still controlled by Chiss politicians. The space is still labeled Chiss Space despite being integrated. They owe obedience and allegiance to the First Order and supply the Imperial fleet and army with materials, vessels and soldiers. The Imperials view the Chiss as equals and haven't oppressed nor sought to block the rise of Chiss officers.
So its safe to say that the Chiss haven't been disrupted by the First Order since the invasion. The Supreme Commander has done what he could to help the Chiss rebuild and thrive once more, only this time under the banner of the First Order as equals. Do with that as you will! I do wanna keep them around, but I am open to ideas.
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Post by Altair Sirraf on Jan 7, 2017 21:07:01 GMT -8
I for one would never dream of undoing to RP you guys have done with them. I would think it would have to be discussed by those who were planning on writing them... if I could get enough people interested, on how we would proceed. If we are keeping to Cannon, the Ascendancy as a whole would never submit to another foreign rule, any decision made would be the vote of their ruling families and their parliament. So some descionsion Rp is possible here.
Also we have seen in Cannon many Chiss, especially in the military don't believe as the Parliament does and so may gladly work alongside the First Order if they were shown the proper respect which you speak of in your reply. So there is Rp to be had there too.
I think there is a lot possible to do here and if the First Order is willing to work with the players then it would be a great start. I've been reading up on how the First Order and some of the Mandalorian clans have been working together, but some of the others are left to choose as they will, I see no reason why it wouldn't be the same here, I don't doubt the writers of the First Order one bit, but it would be quite difficult to control 28 independently armed fleets and Planets without the support of the Ruling Families, especially the one that controls the military.
We might even have some Chiss players at odds with eachother about what decision is best for the Ascendancy, because for Chiss that is what it comes down to. The goals of the First Order would never be their goals, they are to deep in their roots as a species for that, at least that's what I get from my research.
Nic in the coming days I might get his started and I think the first place to start would be with you guys, that is if any of your team is available to write with me?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 22:37:51 GMT -8
well, to be fair, the Mandalorians are mercenaries and were never really conquered/attacked. Some of them just decided to pledge their support to the First Order.
As for the Chiss. "the Ascendancy as a whole would never submit to another foreign rule" <- that would be something of a fallacy to assume. The Ascendancy did what was best for its people, and if a strong enough force had backed them into a corner and was threatening to wipe them out, then you can beat your pretty little blue butt they would submit. The Chiss are supremacists, yes. But they're not dumb. They'd work with the First Order if only to survive and rebuild their ranks, and maybe one day take it down from the inside.
also, the Mando's never put the Chiss down. The only Mando that ever came, was like... Dark Knight or what ever and his legion of Mando's that were all dressed in WH40K trooper armour. And even then, he got his ass handed to him, cause he tried using nukes in a hillside to hold a city hostage. Even though said city was built in an underground cavern.
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Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Jan 7, 2017 23:41:26 GMT -8
We did roleplay that the Ascendancy was completely and utterly defeated though, Altair. And these 28 armed fleets and planets have all been integrated into the First Order. They didn't just attack the capital world and call it quits, no it was roleplayed as the climax and final battle of a long term campaign throughout the Unknown Region where the First Order overwhelmed the Chiss due to a stronger industry, greater numbers and a high morale from the string of success. The Ascendancy, as a result, does not exist at all. Its entire territory has been incorporated, assimilated, integrated, etc. into the First Order. The entirety of Chiss Space belongs to the First Order. Its local governments, planets, systems, military, etc. are a part of the First Order. The Chiss are citizens of their own region and remain Chiss, but they are Imperial citizens of the First Order first and foremost.
And what Prarr says is correct involving the Mandos. The First Order was approached by a clan representing the Assembly, they liked the benefits of an alliance with the First Order, went back and got others interested in it. So, unlike the Chiss which are a part of the First Order, the Mandalorians are allied with the Imperials, yet remain independent.
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Post by Altair Sirraf on Jan 8, 2017 0:04:34 GMT -8
Alright Rebecca that's fair, So where do you think the Ascendancy should go from here? As far as the Ascendancy being destroyed I think that's a bit much. The first order may have destroyed their ships and their armies and attempted to force their culture to assimilate, but that is a lot of rp that is assumed... none of which I see being actually done. I see one battle and the assumption of more brilliantly written mind you... but against no real defenders, that happened 6 months to a year ago. Nic your last post on the Csilla speaking of what would happen over the next few years is good and all, and totally makes sense; but nothing has been done since, actually roleplayed. That's all I'm looking to do here... give the first order a change to actually Rp with The Chiss Ascendancy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 2:05:23 GMT -8
Personally, I paid my time to the Ascendancy and the Chiss. What they do next is none of my concern. From an OOC perspective, the best bet is to work with the First Order, maybe help expand on what was outlined in Nic's post with some IC RP. Maybe have some dissident Aristocra's trying to act too early, and end up being used as examples of what happens when you're rash (ie: they get killed). Build up the RP, get a solid playbase, rebuild the military. The Houses could also play against one another, forming alliances to help keep each other in check until the time is right later on. With the reorganisation of the military, the Nuruodo family would gain more power than the Csapla family, so that's something else to consider. Maybe once you have some Chiss together, you could plot to try and take over the First Order by having your officers rise through the ranks and slowly replace everyone else (a very long term goal).
Again, it's your decision, but these are just some ideas that would get you guys working together.
yes, a lot of their RP is assumed, but at the same time, there were no Chiss around for like 2 years before that. They hit up the past major Chiss locations (Nirauan, Csilla, Ilum) with battles. But there is only so much battle RP that can be done when no one writes the species you are taking over, in all fairness.
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