Atash S. Torkan
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Post by Atash S. Torkan on Feb 29, 2020 2:53:36 GMT -8
Crisol-class Factory Ship. Ship Class: Heavy Star Destroyer Ship Role: Factory Ship/Carrier. Ship Length: 3,597 meters Agility (A): 1 Defensive (D): 4 Offensive (O): 2 Speed (S): 1 Special Gear: 4 (Redundant Shield Generator, Hangar Space, Troop Space, Detachable Factories) Description: Using the old Arc Hammer project's templates, the best engineers in Solenbaran Diarchy's space revitalized the old schematics and design, issuing a one-of-a-kind new factory ship. Less ungainly and smaller than its predecessor -which had been half the size of the Executor itself-, the ship still could house numerous facilities, holding both a research center, large foundries and a small-scale but fully-automated shipyard capable of producing and fielding droid fighters, even in the middle of combat. However, it had been designed with the purpose of housing the Diarchy's robotic and exoskeleton research and the producion of Dark Troopers. The ship holds within itself the full assembly and production lines of the new Dark Trooper project, being able to deliver a payload of the said battle droids and exoskeletons on any planet it orbits, in a relatively short amount of time, with the factory itself mostly being self-sufficient. Actually, the whole production line is housed within the four cylindrical structures attached to the central wedge-like hull and -inspired by the Lucrehulk Core Ships- the cylinders are detachable fully-functional factories able to land in a planet surface and bring the Dark Trooper production to the fray in less than a standard rotation. The ship is armed with 71 heavy turbolasers, 72 heavy ion cannons, 126 point defense laser cannon turrets, 72 proton torpedo launchers and two tractor beam projectors, which is not much for a vessel of its size. To compensate, the ship has redundant shielding, provided by several non-exposed built-in shield generators, and a powerful thick hull, needed to protect the valuable factories and research facilities on board. Each of the detachable factories has 10 heavy turbolasers, 10 ion cannons, 20 point defense cannons and 10 torpedo launchers. Every of the four detachable factory ships include their own deflector shields, sublight engines and hyperdrive. When all four are detached, the remaining hull still fields 31 heavy turbolasers, 32 heavy ion cannons, 46 point defense laser cannon turrets and 22 proton torpedo launchers. To compliment its defense, the ship carries up to three fighter wings in four large hangar bays, 216 starfighters, most of them being TIE Droids produced in the very same factories the ship holds within its armored belly. The cargo bay is very significant, for it not only carries supplies, but also sufficient material to feed the industry on board allowing it to be mostly self-sufficient for months in a row. It can carry up to two full legions on board. Considering droids don't need as much space as living troopers the vessel can house a greater amount than it would be possible for a craft of its purpose and dimensions: only a fraction of the thousands of troops on board are actually living conscripts, most being engineered products of the factories themselves. A sizable porcentage of the ship's actual room is dedicated to house the members of the engineering corps, the factories' own personel and the extensive systems keeping the ship working. Crew requirements are kept under minimum as most systems are automatized and, thus, can be fully functional with a relatively small tripulation for a ship of its size.
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Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Feb 29, 2020 6:12:31 GMT -8
Two things: 1. Picture needs to be smaller. 2. I feel like you may need a different pic since this is a picture of a canon ship, the Arc Hammer. If someone decides to post that up as a submission, there will be a conflict between the two submissions using the same image. However, I would suggest an alternative, if the RPA is alright with this image being associated as a general appearance for Imperial factory ships and not just exclusive to the Arc Hammer. Which, I will state now, I support that alternative so that the appearance isn’t exclusive to just one ship. Not a lot of alternatives that look similar to it after all.
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Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Feb 29, 2020 8:26:41 GMT -8
Got an answer from Luxeria and is in agreement with my suggestion. This way, if someone decides to make the Arc Hammer, we won’t have any issue with the image being used by another ship. So just need the image to be smaller and it’s got my approval!
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Post by Luxeria on Feb 29, 2020 8:40:22 GMT -8
Yea, considering it states that this is built off the design of the Arc Hammer to make a smaller version, I see no problem with the image. I do ask, though, what is the troop count it carries at any one time?
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Post by Atash S. Torkan on Feb 29, 2020 10:04:58 GMT -8
I resized the picture accordingly.
About the troop count... considering its size. 2 legions tops.
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Post by Luxeria on Feb 29, 2020 10:25:40 GMT -8
Please add the troop count, individual not legions, please.
Also, was this meant to be capable of personal use? As it stands, it’s length exceeds the length for personal use and falls into a faction fleet ship. 3,200 meters is the largest ship usable by a person.
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Post by Atash S. Torkan on Feb 29, 2020 10:32:50 GMT -8
Please add the troop count, individual not legions, please. Also, was this meant to be capable of personal use? As it stands, it’s length exceeds the length for personal use and falls into a faction fleet ship. 3,200 meters is the largest ship usable by a person. I believe it's... 30k, yes, 30k. First, I meant to type 3.590, because I thought the limit in personal fleets was 3.600 meters. Will size it down if it's actually 3.200.
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Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Feb 29, 2020 10:33:06 GMT -8
I thought it was 3,600? I swore it was upped recently.
I think legions were 8,000 in lore, so 2 legions would be 16,000.
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Post by Atash S. Torkan on Feb 29, 2020 10:33:55 GMT -8
I thought it was 3,600? I swore it was upped recently. Yeah, I thought it was 3.600.
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Post by Luxeria on Feb 29, 2020 10:36:17 GMT -8
You are correct. I rechecked and the description added for the change and saw 3,200 m. It is 3,600.
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Post by Atash S. Torkan on Feb 29, 2020 12:07:36 GMT -8
So, yeah, edited lenght. And according to what I've been told 30.000 men and women would be right amount of troops to have on board, considering ship's size.
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Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Feb 29, 2020 12:41:13 GMT -8
Looking at this ship, 30,000 troops, with the 216 starfighters and necessary crew, would likely make the ship very cramped.
The Resurgent-class Battlecruiser (1,000 meters smaller) carries 8,000 men cause you have to consider that these ships carried two wings of starfighters (144) and had various facilities for the training of Stormtroopers and ensuring they were in battle ready condition at any moment, not to mention the living space for these 8,000 plus the 55,000 crew and 19,000 officers on board. As well as vehicles, the prefabricated base, and other necessities.
Looking at this ship, I see either a legion of 8,000 men or two legions of 16,000 men in terms of troop space while, for starfighters, 72 or 144 in number. Its a very narrow ship too, the space is much more limited than the wider Star Destroyers. Even with the manufacturing equipment in those detachable cylinders, its still a crammed space when you consider all the necessities needed for living and transporting as well as the hangar bay space needed for 3 wings of starfighters.
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Post by Atash S. Torkan on Feb 29, 2020 13:04:37 GMT -8
About troopers themselves I have no idea, so I asked. I guess one or two actual legions, 8/16k men, are fine and better suited. So yeah, let's see it can hold up to two legions, but that comfortably -for extended periods of time-, just one.
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Post by Zion Morviael [RETIRED] on Feb 29, 2020 16:07:07 GMT -8
so, there are a couple things to take into consideration here: 1. The Resurgent held a First Order Legion of Stromtroopers which is 8,000 Stromtroopers. The Galactic Empire, upon which the Diarchy is based is based upon/a successor from, had a Legion set at 9,813 Stromtroopers. Hence the greater number quoted for the 2 full Legions. Not to mention Resurgents are a bit of a fallacy for comparison, since while they could house a full FO Legion, they were essentially meant as all in one training facilities and homes for the Stromtrooopers of the FO, meaning that at any given time, they also played host to a large unspecified number of recruits in training (as noted in Phasma, where it's shown Cardinal is training several age groups and ranges of future Stormtroopers). Not to mention that the training facilities aboard the Resurgents are meant to make FO Stormtroopers essentially able to multi class. So they can be trained in a variety of enrivonments and conditions with a plethora of different weapon types. Whereas, in comparison, the Empire tended to have ground based academies, and the Darktrooper program more specifically, was focused on specialized training. They didn't train and raise stormtroopers from teenage years to adulthood on a ship. They took in young adults and adults, and were like "here is your exosuit, go out and fight" or in the more common case, the Darktrooper Mk III could operate without anyone inside the suit.
2. Which brings us to the next point. Would the troop capacity be for the Darktroopers alone? in which case, if it's the unmanned version, all you need is storage space for the completed units. Which, as has been shown in Canon, droids do not take up a great deal of space. They also do not require onboard training facilities and housing and whatever other luxuries the Resurgent had for training their multi-class Stormtroopers. Not to mention the Resurgent isn't exactly the standard by which crew and officer numbers for a Heavy SD are a regular/average. Taking into consideration, again, the extensive facilities with which the Resurgent was equipped, which the Crisol would not require (a. darktroopers are basically droids b. even if they are serving as exosuits, darktrooper suit wearers =/= FO stormtrooper training regimens c. they do not need to be mobile all-in-one academies).
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Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Feb 29, 2020 20:54:21 GMT -8
I was more basing it off a ship of comparable size (at least the one that came to mind). I could have used any ship as an example, sure, and maybe I should have instead of the Resurgent. I wasn't using it as the 'standard' ship, but one I am familiar with more so is all. I was also considering the true size of the Arc Hammer vs this custom version which is based off it and smaller. I just didn't use those examples as much though.
Anyways, given the changes made, I do believe the new troop capacity works best for a ship this size.
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Post by Atash S. Torkan on Mar 1, 2020 2:38:42 GMT -8
Zion is right, however, to store droids you just have to pile them up in racks and you don't need living quarters, training rings, letrines or places to have them fed, etc, etc. Considering a sizable part of the troops on board would be droids from the DT project one could house many more of them than living stormtroopers. I imagine there's still a detachment of stormtroopers on board, plus the engineers, techs, tripulation and logistics team, all living beings, but they wouldn't require as much space as two Imperial legions.
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Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Mar 1, 2020 6:25:51 GMT -8
Except even with that in mind, DTs are much bigger variants of the standard battle droid and likely couldn't be stored the way B1s were stored on racks due to their more armored and larger sizes. I also wasn't talking about those troopers, but more the regular Stormtroopers that would likely still accompany the vessel. Certainly, the DTs would be in the minority compared to regular Stormtroopers that would be stationed on the vessel. Considering, the size of this vessel in comparison to the actual Arc Hammer (6,000 meter size difference), I do not believe that you could store more DTs than living Stormtroopers, considering all the space you have for manufacturing the Automated TIEs, the DTs, and the hangar space for the squadrons of starfighters. It is still a very narrow ship. You'd likely have to unload a legion for more space to store more DTs, otherwise, with its full complement of 16,000, the DTs would be in a severe minority due to lack of storage space.
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Post by Atash S. Torkan on Mar 1, 2020 6:53:00 GMT -8
Idk, I guess the two legions are a fine amount them. I can hardly judge it myself, pretty clumsy with those kind of stats. So, 16k troopers on board seems good enough.
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Post by Luxeria on Mar 20, 2020 13:30:33 GMT -8
Approved.
Did this need a second approval or did I miss it further up?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 14:05:10 GMT -8
I believe Nic approved it on Feb 29th
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