Jedi Council OOC planning

Well the whole idea has always been to have the decisions made OOC, and just have a handful of PC's (ie: IC headmasters) for ceremonies and stuff and to help direct people towards goals. So essentially, Kel's hybrid idea has always been the plan...

and Jud, just because you suggest an idea, does not make it the "shit bomb awesomeness" of all idea's, nor the only "logical" decision that we can make. All you've done is suggested an idea that failed, and as Kel'al pointed out, would not work on a scale the Jedi would need. As for the Empire, honestly, I think they've been doing pretty good considering half their command structure retired and left, leaving them literally with no one in charge...

Nov 9, 2014 22:35:04 GMT -8 @rawkill said:

and Jud, just because you suggest an idea, does not make it the "shit bomb awesomeness" of all idea's, nor the only "logical" decision that we can make. All you've done is suggested an idea that failed, and as Kel'al pointed out, would not work on a scale the Jedi would need. As for the Empire, honestly, I think they've been doing pretty good considering half their command structure retired and left, leaving them literally with no one in charge...

Nov 9, 2014 22:43:51 GMT -8 @lyokan said:

Jud-I need to ask you to settle down in your over exuberance regarding the post to which you've been assigned. Yes there have been several problems and arguments recently but there've been numerous problems that could be pointed to throughout this year to which the high counselors did not intervene and mediate a solution… Especially not a solution that was their own best interest. Your point of view is no less valid in the discussion as we decide this matter, however like I stated above the debacle regarding the Sith Emperor back on 1.5 indicated that simply having an NPC commander-in-chief is not and cannot be the "logical" solution.

*raises eyebrow*

Really? You guys can't take a suggestion? Or sarcasm? How about instead of getting your panties in a bunch you just take the post for what it is; ie - a suggestion, and get on with it. Enough said. Oh, and Kel's idea was/is good. I never poo pooed it. So, get a grip gents.

And Raw, really - "shit bomb awesome"? What, are we three? I'm not awesome, nor do I consider myself above anyone or any idea on this site. Never have, never will... So, get your head on straight and make sure you don't shoot your mouth off, savvy?

If either of you want to continue this, my PM box is always open. Thank you. And sorry Kel, Jade, Mike for jacking the thread with this response.  

The only problem I see with this, is the heavy focus on just Corellia and Yavin (which you and I both know means Jade/Mer has both of them ). Whilst I will admit Coruscant really isn't a academy so to speak, and Aer has been keeping Felucia out of things, I still think that having someone for both those places will even things out, and if we include Talus as well, we end up with 5 people who can basically call a meeting and make decisions, and we aren't relliant on just 2-3 people, ya know? I mention Talus because not only are the Th'tremsi lending warriors IC to us, but because CoFK operations are moving to be based off there....

uhm.... hmmm, maybe choose a proxy? to be fair, it wasn't a perfect idea... to be honest if everyone has a say OOC, essentially every Jedi gets a vote, not just the people who are headmaster's, they are basically just there to help keep things on track...

Couple things.

My objection to the NPC Council flows along with what Aer said up above. When NPCs get fleshed out and have backstories, people start to care and whoever has been writing them will invariably get upset when someone else npcs them. *shrugs* I have several NPC characters, and I don't like it when someone else suddenly starts posting things for that character without so much as a 'hello-need-to-borrow-your-character.'

In terms of OOC Council: I think it could potentially work, if one wanted to throw out the idea of IC leadership for the Jedi. Essentially for the OOC Council to work, I think the Jedi Order would return to separate academies without IC cohesiveness apart from individuals forging separate alliances. Y'know? I think there should be some kind of IC ruling body, otherwise the Jedi Order as a whole will be extremely limited in the scale of potential rp. For instance, if there's some kind of Republic/Jedi treaty issue, who would the Republic take that up with?

Sam, I kept Corellia going when the majority of its writers vanished. Yavin is much more stable now than it has ever been in the past.

However, if the leadership is to be strictly OOC, then I think it should go to those who have demonstrated that they are good, dedicated Jedi, regardless of Academy/planet affiliation.

Jud, it's good to see you around, but I'm curious as to how you decide which threads to jump into.

Well, you don't have to be on the council to bring your OOC ideas to the Jedi or even to be the one that drives a particular storyline, so I'm not sure why a non-Jedi would need council power. It's probably better for the integrity of the site if we limit Jedi council seats to those whose characters are most directly affected but the council decisions.

And we don't want to create a class system by giving some players more of a vote or veto than others in overall RP on the site. But you have an interesting idea -- we could definitely benefit from having a process for establishing storyline continuity and interconnections between factions.

No, a non-Jedi wouldn't need Jedi council power. Creating RP as an OOC council could be participated by non-Jedi though, and would probably benefit from having non-Jedi (with regards to differing perspectives and offering characters to oppose). That's why I expanded what I was saying to suggest a OOC council of all writers charged with generating, or maybe regulating RP, though I'd be hesitant over such a thing for similar reasons to what you stated. Any form of class system or elitist mentality needs to be carefully implemented in my opinion. Any OOC council, at least what I was referring to, would be a storyline generator and not a form of control. That's the Whills job.

before we get to carried away down the path of OOC council's for regulating RP (which to be fair, is kind of why we have the PGC), let's step back a couple paces and concentrate on the topic of the current discussion, which is that this is about the future of the Jedi Leadership. As far as helping to create RP in an OOC sense is concerned, as Kel pointed out, anyone can drop in here and suggest an idea. But as far as decisions about the direction of the Jedi Order specifically are concerned, it is something that should be handled by Jedi Writer's.

I think we can all agree that we at least want an OOC aspect to Jedi leadership going forward, in which every Jedi Writer has a say in the direction of the Jedi Order, and then some form of IC leadership, whether it be a group of council members or temple headmasters, pretty much helps direct people IC towards certain objectives.
Honestly I dont think I've seen anyone specifically state that the Jedi leadership would be strictly OOC, nor do I see any reason why you can't have OOC leadership and IC leadership, the two are not mutually exclusive, you can do them together. Instead of constantly wasting time IC with having our char's meet for council meetings, we can discuss things OOC, then just adjust our timeline IC when the moment is right to say "oh well I just got back from this council meeting, so these couple things need to be taken care of".


Not exactly sure why you felt the need to point that out, or the particular relevance of it?



Now, since we kind of either seem to be going in circles agreeing that we should have certain idea's, or misunderstanding what certain idea's entail, let's break them down into components and vote on each accordingly, otherwise we'll still be here in 6 months going "oh we should have this and that" - "ah i concur, we should have this and that as well" - "well if we are to have only that, then we should do something else entirely", etc, etc, etc.

So, let us put the first component to a vote, regarding the style of council/leadership we have going forward:
IC Council Only:
OOC Council Only:
IC & OOC Council/"the hybrid": I (Rawkill)


NOTES:
IC council essentially means we continue as is, we run the voting again and choose 5 new IC High Councillors, who make all leadership decisions almost regardless of anyone else.
OOC Council means that leadership is strictly OOC, and things revert back to the seperate academies, essentially breaking the treaty we just made with the Republic.
IC & OOC Council/"the hybrid" is where everyone has a say OOC, with a handful of people (3-5) 'directing' discussions and helping to keep things on track, which may or may not translate to these select few people being higher-up's IC, with some form of high up people IC dissemenating orders down the ranks according to each person's IC preferences for level of involvement with the overarching SL (ranging from making the big power moves and oraganizing massive movements, right down to just concentrating on individual missions being only concerned with where their next mission takes them).

I don't really think this is what needs voted on, at least in my limited and experienced opinion. Everyone seems to want to have some sort of hybrid type thing but there is a bit of confusion on what sort. Basically it comes down to two things, if the OOC power decision making stuff should come down to a few "council" members or if the OOC power stuff should be given to everyone as a collective. Because the OOC power is what really maters, Past that we can work out if the council should be NPCs or PCs or Robot or my personal favorite, bartenders.