Will Sontir
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Post by Will Sontir on Nov 11, 2013 22:38:40 GMT -8
I could swear there was a handful of posts along the lines of "you'd hate me" "i will be a hermit" "sorry guys I am secluding myself"
all statements not conducive of an HC Master, but if you're down, why not.
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Will Sontir
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Post by Will Sontir on Nov 11, 2013 22:40:48 GMT -8
the BIGGEST issue with elected people representing certain academies is the fact that WE DON'T KNOW which are staying. The fact is most will have to be chucked, that is the other half of this radical change and revamp, new leadership, new structure. Tigher Order, more RP, more collaboration. Looser order, sparser RP, less collaboration-- THE ENTIRE ISSUE.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2013 22:44:35 GMT -8
Yes i said that, but the quotes were taken out of context then i will be hated. for where my story is, monte is going to go be a hermit for some time. and because minus small rps it is Abandoned, i could play it as having a hand in the government, Bakura may soon be a jedi friendly location that said, i still intend on being available from coruscant via holodroid if i am called I was directly referring to this post i say no affiliation because, like I mentioned before, we need to widdle down the number of the jedi worlds. Centralize the Council (office hours) and also make it the main seat of learning and orders. Hash it out OOC, and we will play it out IC. I was saying that YOU would hate me because i was increasing the number of Jedi friendly planets. i also included in the same post that if my colleagues chose me, even if it was a Holographic droid, i would have the presence requested of my to be a HC |
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Post by Zion Morviael [RETIRED] on Nov 11, 2013 22:52:58 GMT -8
-Eli Vandal -Raylia Venci -Mike Frantz -Diamonte (yes) -Tyor D'nec -Aerandir Calmcacil -Devlin Dewe -Kel'Al Raganella (no) -Zion Morviael (no) -Will Sontir (yes) -Jena Shaewe -Lyssa Ramaela -Ael Jade -Adi (no) Can't really see Zion being on the council, mostly for his views IC towards them... |
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Post by Aerandir Calmcacil on Nov 12, 2013 0:06:12 GMT -8
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Ander Tagira
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Post by Ander Tagira on Nov 12, 2013 0:37:52 GMT -8
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems as if the most active writers for the Jedi Order are those of the leadership. It makes me think of a Congress or Parliament that lives in their own country and are the only citizens.
Has any serious thought been put into relegating the "Council" to a purely background, NPC-structured, IC concept? I'm not bringing this up to sound like a jerk, I'm making a serious suggestion here, with no judgments being made.
It just seems a bit…superfluous. Unnecessary.
As long as OOC attempts are being made to regulate the Order, RP is being missed out on. When I founded GALSAF, I decided to avoid relying on any sort of clear chain of command, either IC or OOC. Anyone in the group is encouraged to make suggestions, give ideas, etc and so forth, or simply to point out where mistakes or oversights are being made. Then everyone else chimes in with their thoughts, and further suggestions and ideas turn into decisions. As a result, making decisions has become a very smooth and painless process, usually taking no more than a day to finalize any real plan of action.
Again, I may be speaking out of ignorance, considering I do not actively write with the Jedi Order on an intimate level, that's just something I thought of. I know it's been suggested in the past, but the choice has always been made to stick with a leading OOC Council that is tied in with the IC.
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Post by Ael Jade on Nov 12, 2013 5:27:20 GMT -8
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Devlin Dewe
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Post by Devlin Dewe on Nov 12, 2013 5:58:33 GMT -8
I seem to remember Sinistra saying she wouldn't be up for a position. Correct me if I'm wrong.
If the Jedi still want me, I'll make myself available.
Also, I like 7; but 5 makes more sense if we consolidate the Order.
And, not to ignore Ander; but I thought the idea of an NPC Council was declined. Though the idea that every Jedi can provide ideas or suggestions is a good one and one I believe we've tried to have...and if not, we should try to have in the future. It's not like the High Council is tyrannical, we are Jedi after all.
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Post by The Admiralty OOC on Nov 12, 2013 6:37:17 GMT -8
Resi is active at the moment, but may be falling to the dark side in the near future (IC time). At the very least he is going to go a very dark grey. However, there will be a new character of mine making an appearance in JotW/maybe IC. Depending how that goes (& how quickly the planned SL there wraps up), she will be joining the order. Additional note: holy ferret balls you people can move fast at times!  My vote is 5 & I don't have any masters (just one knight & a soon to be adept/padawan/knight). |
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Eli Vandal
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Post by Eli Vandal on Nov 12, 2013 6:54:08 GMT -8
I said I was making myself the leader temporarily until the leadership had been determined, as was indicated in the request. If the leadership portion wasn't required, I wouldn't have done it. As for councilor position, I'll put myself on the list.
-Eli Vandal(yes)
-Raylia Venci (no)
-Mike Frantz
-Diamonte (yes)
-Tyor D'nec
-Aerandir Calmcacil (yes)
-Devlin Dewe (yes)
-Kel'Al Raganella (no)
-Zion Morviael (no)
-Will Sontir (yes)
-Jena Shaewe
-Lyssa Ramaela
-Ael Jade (yes)
-Adi (no)
And as a side note, I got additional messages for the vote for 5. So I think the total was pretty conclusive towards that number.
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Adi
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Post by Adi on Nov 12, 2013 9:56:06 GMT -8
Ill take a spot if you guys want me to. I just didn't want to make it look like I was jumping in anyone's grave, ya know?
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Ander Tagira
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Post by Ander Tagira on Nov 12, 2013 10:03:46 GMT -8
No worries Devlin, you guys are in the middle of business and I was interjecting. My apologies, I just felt I ought to share the perspective. I don't know really how much of your time on JvS is spent dealing with OOC matters like these ones, I only began to get the impression more time was spent on those aspects than on the writing itself. I did not mean to suggest that any Jedi writer's views were ever discounted or ignored, my apologies if that's how it sounded. I more meant that we use that process to make our decisions, rather than take the time to construct a formal environment for it. If a writer is not around enough to weigh in on the decisions we need to make, then we keep our knowledge of that writer and their typical views in mind while the rest of the group solidifies a decision. That way we avoid waiting on every single member to get things done. Maybe an NPC council isn't the best idea, I just didn't want to see you guys shackled by OOC administrative work. Best to you all!  |
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Post by Mike Frantz on Nov 12, 2013 10:39:50 GMT -8
I will not exclude myself from being voted upon even though I don't expect much from it.
Just to clarify once we decide who can be voted on we will be voting on a completely new council of five regardless of any affiliation standards, correct?
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Post by Adi on Nov 12, 2013 10:45:15 GMT -8
From what Im gathering, yes, we are voting on a new council. That doesn't mean the old HC members can't be on, but they have to get voted back in. AH, LOVE democracy...XD
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Post by Mike Frantz on Nov 12, 2013 10:48:28 GMT -8
That's what I though, but I wanted to summarize it into one line so my simple mind could fully comprehend what was going on.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 11:07:14 GMT -8
-Eli Vandal(yes)
-Raylia Venci (no)
-Mike Frantz(yes)
-Diamonte (yes)
-Tyor D'nec
-Aerandir Calmcacil (yes)
-Devlin Dewe (yes)
-Kel'Al Raganella (no)
-Zion Morviael (no)
-Will Sontir (yes)
-Jena Shaewe
-Lyssa Ramaela
-Ael Jade (yes)
-Adi (yes)
Yeah, I would like to reaffirm that since we have passed 6 (where one writer could bow out and a council could be volunteered into existence
And in this case, I would like to make sure we are voting for all five seats, and that if the previous councilors are re-appointed, it is due to writers approving of the actions taken, not just 2 seats and the others are "ready to get back to work"
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Post by Devlin Dewe on Nov 12, 2013 11:41:56 GMT -8
I could swear there was a handful of posts along the lines of "you'd hate me" "i will be a hermit" "sorry guys I am secluding myself" all statements not conducive of an HC Master, but if you're down, why not. Um, just because someone is a hermit, doesn't mean they can't be on the HC, Will...clearly. Ill take a spot if you guys want me to. I just didn't want to make it look like I was jumping in anyone's grave, ya know? And in this case, I would like to make sure we are voting for all five seats, and that if the previous councilors are re-appointed, it is due to writers approving of the actions taken, not just 2 seats and the others are "ready to get back to work" I'm ready to get back to work, already. So, hurry up and vote on the other 2 seats. 4 seats? 2 seats. I mean, I can't just derail our progressive thread all day with zingers. There's work to be done people: Mandos to defeat, Jedi to avenge, a Cold War staring contest to begin, and tea to make. There's a lot on my plate (and it's not even Thanksgiving). The Jedi aren't going to run themselves into the ground. After I'm done with the new HC all the Jedi will be begging to be hermits...forced to be hermits?... all the cool kids are doing it. |
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Post by Mike Frantz on Nov 12, 2013 11:54:20 GMT -8
*Removes Devilin's hermits and plate and eats both*
Problem solved... you are welcome.
*goes back to booze*
But anyway In all seriousness we just have three masters (two of which are Ice) to say yes or no to possible appointments and then we can begin voting. But wait... how shall this voting proceed. Obviously everyone gets to vote, but how many votes are given. Does everyone just get to say one, or does everyone get to pick 5 as in who they would pick on the council if they were grand dictator of everything? Obviously the 5 with the most votes (or bribe money) get the seats, but how do we get all the votes in and how many we get shall be the next question. And is self voting allowed?
I may or may not be a fan of posing questions to the masses so I don't have to answer them.
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Post by Devlin Dewe on Nov 12, 2013 11:59:25 GMT -8
Well, in the past, it was as many votes as spots--so 5--and no self voting. Do we still want to go that route? Just because that's how we've traditionally done it doesn't mean we can't change it.
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Post by Mike Frantz on Nov 12, 2013 12:04:43 GMT -8
That's how I would like to do it.. and since you are me and I am you that makes our votes count for 3/4 of the order which gives us majority so therefore that's how it will be
5 votes and no self voting:
yes (Mike and Dev aka 3/4 of the order)
no (those other people)
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My vote is 5 & I don't have any masters (just one knight & a soon to be adept/padawan/knight).
