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Post by Crom'nen on Sept 11, 2014 9:59:39 GMT -8

At, I'm pretty sure you left out a few characters there.

First, Crom'nen just left the Rotunda. Perhaps you could catch him in the hallway (by that I mean Republic Plaza and Senate Hangars) and we could have that convo now.

As far as I am concerned, the Ryloth-Jedi scandal is completely resolved, unless anyone else wants to stir it up. I think we should work out the better compromise to work together with the Jedi more, which was Crom'nen's purpose all along, but that is moving forward. The rest of it, let's put in the past.

I would also like to see the Charity ball be a big thing. Senators, Jedi, military personnel, whatever other NPCs people want to have there. IC the purpose is relief funds for Ryloth, yes? I think it would be great to see a parade of characters who are nice to Bel'fima, and then glare at Crom'nen for setting himself up as the villain. I just wonder if Crom'nen or Bel'fima should give the speech.

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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 21:44:19 GMT -8

Well met,

just a quick question, did you want us all to put forth our proposals, and then the senate will vote on them? or are we going to do them one by one? Just so I know whether I should be making a post in the rotunda or not.

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Galactic Republic Sept 14, 2014 21:01:56 GMT -8

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Post by Vice-Chancellor Darma on Sept 14, 2014 21:01:56 GMT -8

Sept 9, 2014 22:09:56 GMT -8 Chancellor Cihlbar said:

Crom is on break.

I'd like to see someone pitch in with the economics of the Republic, and if new people are on the Military Council, then those new people needs to actually manage the military assets of the Republic. The OOC aspect, oversee the ordering and construction of fleets, the training and management of troop personnel etc. negotiate treaties and alliances.

Does a vote need to be casted for this participation?

I don't think so, you can make appointments as you please to get this thing moving again.

@voordan: Yes you should all present your cases at once, for the sake of getting through this in a timely manner.

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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 22:29:35 GMT -8

Good day to you members of the Republic,

following discussions between myself, Ellostraa, and Toraanos, we have decided to scrap our involvement with the Republic. We apologise for any inconveniance, especially as I will be removing several of my posts to account for the new SL direction we will be taking.

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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 15:33:02 GMT -8

Good Morning/Afternoon/Evening Ladies and Gentlemen,

Following discussion between the Jedi, we have come up with the following codified charter that has so far received pretty unanimous support on our end. I'm not sure if Monte will be putting up his simplified version, but be aware it may be coming. Either way, here is the wordy version, feel free to make changes under Article II as freely as you like, Article I can only be changed by the Jedi. As such, I'll be keeping an eye on the topic to answer any questions about Article I. Any changes will need to be reviewed by the Jedi and voted upon, just like the Republic would need to agree and vote on any changes we might make if you guys make any changes. I'll leave the undertaking of discussions and voting to you guys to sort out, but as a suggestion, the sooner this is discussed and voted upon, the sooner we can put this to rest.

In light of recent events which has created a schism between our two great peoples, We, the representatives of the Jedi Order and People of the Galactic Republic, recommit ourselves to the ideals of our founders, to form a more perfect alliance based on the virtues of the Rule of Law and mutual trust and understanding to ensure Justice, Tranquility, and Common Defence for ourselves and future generations.

Article I "Jedi Responsibilities to the Republic" (This section is reviewable and changeable only by the Jedi)
Section I
Although the Jedi's responsibility is peacekeeping and may require Military Assistance, the Jedi do not have the authority to assume command of Republic Vessels without verifiable permission from the Republic Senate or the Republic Chancellor. (what this means OOC: in order to have a Jedi controlling Republic assets, you must have a post on the boards showing you have permission to command Republic Vessels)

As of the date this document goes into effect, all previous Jedi commissions go into null and void to keep everyone on equal footing.

In times of emergency when the two factions need to strengthen their bonds in order to fight a common foe, temporary commissions may be issued to Jedi. This commission will vary based on rank and ability of the Jedi, and will be in effect only for the duration of combat. (what this means OOC: if you are involved in a battle in which the Republic is taking part in, you are authorized to take a reasonable amount of forces into the battle, with regards to your rank and ability.)

Should a Jedi be present aboard a Republic Vessel, or be accompanying a Republic Army Contingent, the Jedi may act in an advisory role, and make suggestions with regards to their course of action, however, all orders issued by the Republic Chain of Command supersede the Jedi's advisement.

Section II
In order to maintain better communications in the future, The Jedi High Council is permitted to appoint one Master level Jedi to sit in an advisory role upon the Military Committee. The ability to appoint this Emissary lies solely with the Jedi High Council, however the Republic Senate has the right to refuse an emissary, whom they feel will be more of an hindrance to the committee than an asset.

This emissary will have no voting rights within the Republic Senate, and will maintain a solely communications role as an intermediary to coordinate Jedi and Republic forces in times of trouble. Although this position of communication exists, both sides maintain their right to refuse assistance to the other party.

In the situation where help is promised, but none is provided the emissary or the associated persons on the Military Committee will be subject to disciplinary actions subject to the VFA/SoFA respectively.

Section III
When the Republic or it's Member Worlds (herein refered to as "the Republic") request aid from the Jedi order in a battle, a Visiting Forces Agreement shall be in effect, protecting the Jedi from false accusations.

Should a Jedi, who's presence was requested in combat, be accused of an act of war crimes against the Republic, the Jedi have the first right to conduct a private investigation to determine relative guilt or innocence of the accused. During these proceedings, the Republic may assist the Jedi Order, but may in no way, have a formal say in the relative guilt or innocence of the accused.

The burden of proof behind these proceedings is that of relativity, to convict a Jedi the burden must be that: 1. the Jedi was in the theatre in question and 2. That enough evidence can be proven *beyond reasonable doubt* that the accused perform the actions that lead to the destruction that has levied these accusations.

Should a Jedi be found to have reasonably committed these actions, they will be first off stripped of rank and authority within the Jedi Order, and secondly be handed over to the Republic for a full trial for which the Jedi's proceedings may be used for a formal indictment.

However, should the result of the Jedi Investigation be that the accused is reasonably innocent of these actions, they shall be acquitted of charges, though the Jedi Order shall take responsibility for damages, and pay compensation for life and land, as the counsel can assess.

This VFA is not afforded in the situations where Jedi have admitted to the actions for which they are accused outside of duress. (interrogation, intimidation, etc)

Likewise this VFA is not afforded to a Jedi who cannot prove a formal commission or received a temporary commission during combat. (what this means OOC: if you can prove a formal commission allowing your character to maintain a ship, you will be afforded benefit of the doubt at a proper investigation, however, if the Republic is not involved, and you are accused of war crimes on a Republic world, you are S.O.L.)

Article II "Republic's Responsibilities to the Jedi" (This section is reviewable and changeable only by the Republic)
Section I
The primary job of the Republic Armed forces is the defence of the Republic's sphere of influence. As such, The Republic is not required to defend Jedi Worlds that lack representation within the Republic Senate. By the same token, The Republic Armed Services and the Senate therein, cannot impress Jedi into service within the Armed Forces of the Republic, without appropriate rank and reasoning. (what this means OOC: the Republic cannot demand Jedi involvement without providing appropriate rank, privileges and reason)

Section II
The Republic's Status of Forces Agreement shall be in effect, protecting Republic Officers and Officials from false accusations of War Crimes and Abuse of Powers.

Should a Representative of the Republic be accused of War Crimes by a member of the Jedi Order, the Republic have the first right to conduct a private investigation to determine the relative guilt or innocence of the accused. During these proceedings, the Jedi Order may assist the Republic in the investigation, but unless the accusal involves a significant loss of Jedi, the Jedi Order may have nor formal say in the relative guilt or innocence of the accused. (A Representative of the Republic includes: Any person whom holds a post within the Republic Senate, or a rank within the Grand Army of the Republic)

The burden of proof behind these proceedings is that of relativity, to convict a Representative of the Republic the burden must be that: 1. The Representative of the Republic was in the theatre in question and 2. That enough evidence can be proven *beyond reasonable doubt* that the accused perform the actions that lead to the destruction that has levied these accusations.

Should a Representative of the Republic be found to have reasonably committed these actions, he will be first stripped of any rank and authority within the Galactic Republic, and secondly be handed over to the Jedi Order for a full trial for which the Republic's proceedings may be used for formal indictment. Although the trial may have lesser base than the proceedings that the Republic might perform, the Jedi Council's verdict and sentence still carries equal weight.

However, should the result of the Republic investigation be that the accused is reasonably innocent of these actions, the Representative shall be acquitted of charges, though the Republic Senate shall take full responsibility for damages, and pay compensation for life and land, as the counsel assess.
This SoFA is not afforded in the situations where a Representative of the Republic has admitted to the actions for which they are accused outside of duress. (interrogation, intimidation, etc)

As is important to remember no Jedi may assume control of Republic forces without official commission, it is also important to note that should the Republic knowingly impress Jedi into service and portray them as taking illegitimate command that they shall be thusly susceptible to accusations of abuse of power. Should private correspondence within a related accusation of war crimes, and the time sequence of events indicate a Jedi was encouraged to take command before an official commission was given, the accused Jedi may be released and the Representative will be charged with abuse of powers and attempted impression.

The Burden of proof in these situations will be on the accused to provide legitimate and verifiable evidence that the timeline he quotes is accurate. In these proceedings, a bi-partisan action will be taken, and although if they are found to have taken these actions, they will not lose their position within the Republic, however they will still be liable to sentencing by the Jedi Order.

Article III "Ratification"
The Ratification of this treaty when both parties approve of a singularly designed treaty.

Should the Republic choose to make edits to this treaty, instead of initially accepting it, document must then be re-approved by the Jedi, and may be subject to further edits, so that the purpose of this treaty, which is to maintain a position of equality between these two factions, is maintained.

The idea behind this was to have a very CLEARLY defined and DETAILED relationship, since that was something Crom'nen wanted us to have between the two groups.

For those of you who don't like reading lot's, here is a summary:
The Jedi are Jedi, The Republic is the Republic.
We don't assume command of your forces, you don't assume command of ours.
If a trial comes up again, the accused side gets to investigate the claim first.
A Jedi emissary, that is agreed upon by both The Jedi and The Republic, will sit on the Military Committee to act as a conduit for communication between the factions IC.

Last Edit: Sept 24, 2014 14:29:15 GMT -8 by Deleted: slight edit in Article I, Section III: When the Republic or it's Member Worlds (herein refered to as "the Republic")

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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 17:41:50 GMT -8

as @rawkill said, here is my resolution.... writen BEFORE the full document

RESOLUTION

On this date, the Jedi Order, after hearing all of the evidence, and for good cause shown, finds the following:

1. That it is known that during dating back thousands of years, at times the Republic has called upon the Jedi Order to lead their troops into battle

2. That these such occasions have occurred during times when the Republic has declared war or had war declared on it by another faction

3. The last time such practices were utilized was during the Great Clone War, spanning the years 22–19 BBY.

4. That during the final war this power was used by Supreme Chancellor Palpatine to prepare Anakin Skywalker to become his Sith apprentice and use as a ploy to kill the entirety of the Jedi Order upon it’s completion.

5. That in recent days Jedi Knights and masters have Assumed such command without full permission from the Republic Senate or the Chancellor.

6. Whereas, the action of select illegitimately Commissioned Jedi watchmen led to the attacking forces an opportunity to attack without defenders which led to the death of many civilians on the Planet Ryloth, as well as the destruction of several Galactic Republic Navy ships in service as a planetary fleet to aforementioned planet

7. Whereas, to form a more perfect alliance between the Jedi Order and the Galactic Republic in which neither faction is subservient to the other

IT IS THEREFORE RESOLVED

that the Jedi Order, by and through its Members, officially

STRONGLY CONDEMNS

Jedi taking command of Republic Vessels without an official commission from the Republic Senate or Chancellor authorizing aforementioned command

IT IS FURTHER RESOLVED

That no Jedi take command of a Republic fleet without a prior commission to the effect issued by the Republic Senate or Chancellor Except in times of war when the Republic requests aid from the Jedi order in general or members in specific. at these times Jedi will receive command of troops according to their rank and ability for the duration of the battle at which point the Republic will resume command of aforementioned troops

IT IS FURTHER RESOLVED

That the members of the Jedi Order FURTHER REQUEST that all Republic worlds maintain a planetary fleet independent of Republic control and staffed accordingly.

IT IS FURTHER RESOLVED

That the Jedi Order SUPPORTS a Visiting Forces Agreement, when Jedi aid is requested on a republic world. Such agreement would designate the Jedi Order the “First Right” to investigate claims of wrong-doing of Jedi members when called to assistance on a republic world. Should the Jedi be found be found guilty of the charges by a body of peers, the Jedi will be removed from the order and turned over to the Galactic republic to face any charges the Senate can legally assess to the incident. Should the Jedi be Acquitted of charges however, The Jedi order will accept responsibility for and will thusly pay damages as assessed by the Jedi Order.

(signed)

Read more: jedivsith.boards.net/thread/717/jedi-council-ooc-planning?page=106#ixzz3Dif80V3x

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Post by Crom'nen on Sept 22, 2014 10:25:01 GMT -8

Rawkill, There is one thing that I might say for Article one. As the official loophole guy, it should be made clear that the VFA protects the Jedi from the Republic AND Republic member worlds. Otherwise, Crom'nen could exploit that to bring charges from Ryloth instead of the Republic. I don't want to leave him the option, in case I end up doing something evil again.

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Crom'nen Member Posts: 868 Affiliation: loyal only to himself, working with Ryloth and the GR	Galactic Republic Sept 24, 2014 16:58:20 GMT -8 Share Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Crom'nen on Sept 24, 2014 16:58:20 GMT -8 Thank you! Is it bad that my character seems so out of control, even by me, that I feel I have to outsmart him? Which is hard. You know. Because he's Crom'nen.
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Galactic Republic Sept 27, 2014 11:37:19 GMT -8

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Post by Jedi Knight Mahir on Sept 27, 2014 11:37:19 GMT -8

Is it just me or does the Jedi being being given a rep in the senate while no representation is given to the senate within the Jedi proceedings seem a tad unbalanced? Even if only from and OOC PoV, having two conduits of communication is better than having just one. since both sides seems to be having fun with writers dropping off the radar at some very inopportune times.

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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 18:00:31 GMT -8

From the Collective Mind of @lyokan and @rawkill:

When drafting this treaty and specifically Article 1 Section II, a correlating section within Article 2 was proposed that would have read

In order to maintain better communications in the future, The Galactic Republic is permitted to appoint one Senator to sit in an advisory role upon the Jedi High Council. The ability to appoint this Emissary lies solely with the Senate, however the Jedi High council has the right to refuse an emissary, whom they feel will be more of an hindrance to the committee than an asset.

This emissary will have no voting rights within the Jedi High Council, and will maintain a solely communications role as an intermediary to coordinate Republic and Jedi forces in times of trouble. Although this position of communication exists, both sides maintain their right to refuse assistance to the other party.

In the situation where help is promised, but none is provided the emissary or the associated persons on the Jedi High council will be subject to disciplinary actions subject to the SoFA/VFA respectively.

however this section was struck from the presented treaty because Rawkill and I believed that this section was redundant and would lead to more problems caused then solved depending on whom the republic would choose to appoint.

The issue that we hoped to solve with this article was to nullify any attempts by either faction to claim ignorance and say “We did not help because we were never informed of that issue” (despite evidence to the opposite) and honestly we believed it was easier for one person to do the job than two people working in different locations

on a personal level I supported the idea to keep the treaty even, and was the one to come up with that provision, however in light of recent posts i stick by the treaty as it is currently written because in my honest opinion, that the particular portions of the treaty formally known as Article 2 section II should remain stricken from the text of the treaty. considering the positions were designed with intention of openly sharing need for military assistance should a future PvP battle arise, altering the document to admit a senator or senate representative as i see it would result in an obstructing mouthpiece on the jedi high council that mirrored SP-99.

After consultation Rawkill and I hold the same view point, however we will concede the point to at least move to an NPC Jedi should the assigned Jedi need an extended leave of absence or leave without announcing it.

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Galactic Republic Sept 29, 2014 5:35:25 GMT -8

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Post by Crom'nen on Sept 29, 2014 5:35:25 GMT -8

Far be it for me to stick my nose out too far, but I agree with Rawkill and Diamonte. I don't think the Republic should have a representative in the Jedi Council. This military committee needs the Jedi adviser more than the other way around.

On thing I have been thinking about though... why doesn't Yavin elect a Senator? Giving the Jedi a vote in the Senate at large seems like a good thing to me.

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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 7:06:30 GMT -8

The answer to that, is that as a matter of tradition yavin doesn't have a senator. If you need further evidence, look to the last paragraph of the Yavin travelers guide
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Yavin IV is also closely affiliated with the Republic as a fortress world, but since it has almost no civilian population, does not hold a seat on the Republic Senate.
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Now I will grant you that this document needs to be redefined in regards to the new leadership, however every time I review the guide, that provision always stays in

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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 7:26:42 GMT -8

Aside from the point Monte has already raised about Yavin lacking any formal local population, and as enticing as that sounds, The Jedi are not politicians. We are guardians of peace and justice, we can be gifted land and places to build temples upon, but government is a whole other matter entirely, which, dare I say it, we leave to people such as yourself...

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Galactic Republic Sept 29, 2014 12:38:11 GMT -8

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Post by Crom'nen on Sept 29, 2014 12:38:11 GMT -8

Dangerous words Rawkill...

My point is that the Jedi could be considered the population. And lest we forget, Leia was both Jedi and Senator, even Chief of State. Not saying you have to. Just saying that if you wanted to, I would be in favor of it.

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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 18:19:11 GMT -8

I know, the world is probably going to end soon...

To be fair, Leia had been a pollie for most of her life, before she learned she was a Jedi. And whilst I would not be overly opposed to a Jedi with the right skill set taking the seat to represent Yavin, I can't help but wonder if that would once again lead to the meshing of our two faction's a little too much again?

EDIT: so, I only just noticed that Mahir had gotten in a post before I did, 12 hours ago... but yeah. To be fair, you don't need to be in politics, to protect peace and justice in it...
Speaking of the Senate, hows that going? I only ask, as Cihlbar requested a meeting with Rawkill after the session was finished...

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Ael Jade The Jedi Order - Corellian Jedi Academy Posts: 1,544 Affiliation: Corellian Jedi Order	Galactic Republic Sept 30, 2014 10:40:08 GMT -8 Share Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Ael Jade on Sept 30, 2014 10:40:08 GMT -8 I am ambivalent either way. But I always wanted to write a Senator type individual. So, if someone wants Yavin to have a Senator (not a Jedi) then I'm totally cool with creating one.

Vice-Chancellor Darma Member Posts: 217 Affiliation: The New Republic Traffic Light: Blue	Galactic Republic Sept 30, 2014 21:15:52 GMT -8 Share Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Vice-Chancellor Darma on Sept 30, 2014 21:15:52 GMT -8 Mer'ika when would you find the time to write her? Rawkill the senate session has stalled, If Cihlbar doesn't post a conclusion by this weekend I'll try to get something up for you then.

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