Fighter Complement

So, given that the original intent of this was to get a proposal put forth to the Whills about no longer including Star Fighter's in the fleet point count, the agreement right now, is as follows:

1. Starfighter Class Ships (up to 26 meters) will fit the full Starfighter compliment of any ship.
2. Support Class Ships (up to 100 meters) will only fit up to half of the Starfighter compliment of any ship.

Hmm, if i had yo suggest a number, I'd say a cap of 250. It would allow carriers tp be seen as such still while those capable of such amounts don't overwhelm with a single ship.

If I were to set an upper limit, I would recommend doing it for the entire fleet rather than just per ship, for the following reason.

For example, of my accounts, Garrick Needa , uses a Venator-Class as a carrier. Now the rest of the ships I use are all fairly light on fighters, but that one ship makes up like 3/4ths of the fleet’s fighter composition. By restricting it per ship, you’d basically be rendering the carrier class of vessels useless, as it’d be more efficient to, say, bring four Vindicators, which would not only carry a roughly similar number of fighters in total, but also add way more guns to my fleet. However, if you look at that fleet, on average I bring less than 100 fighters per (larger than a corvette sized) ship, which is more than fair.

These are just my thoughts though.

EDIT: 100, not 200.

For clarity, this discussion is about doing away with starfighters as counting toward your Fleet Points. It is not about setting upper limits on how much specifically a Custom Ship can hold.


It has been the general view for quite a few writers that starfighters should not count toward your Fleet points. As such, the point of this is to come up with a system by which starfighters would not be counted toward these points.

So instead of you being limited to say... 24 starfighters in your Fleet despite having used your points to get a Vic II or something else, you would be able to use the proper compliment of starfighters for that ship.



My only push back against setting it to 100 or 200 fighters across the entire fleet, is that you’ll quickly fill that allotment up within a couple ships. And you ran into “well, if you’re in say the FO. How do you explain away the fact you’re using far less than what your Fleet definitely has space for?”
And while carrier fleets may have a seeming advantage in terms of the number of extra starfighters, for the most part they are less armed and armoured than say a destroyer based fleet.

So, kind of left this discussion to languish a bit since RL kind of got the better of me...


I think a cap of 200/250 starfighters on any given ship is a decent amount. And once you start putting a hard cap on the entire fleet, it boils down to the situation we have now. "Well, after having a few decent capital ships I'm left with enough points to afford 16 starfighters" would become "well, even though I have these carriers and these capital ships, I can only have 300 starfighters all up, even though this one ship here can hold all of them".



So, that said. what are everyone's thoughts on hardcapping compliments to 200 or 250 if their standard compliment exceeds that? Every other ship will be limited to what they have the space for, only Carriers exceeding the limit would have the cap imposed.

Hey folks,

For anyone that is still following this, we did put this proposal to the Whills. After some discussions, we want to get everyone's thoughts on what the max limit of starfighters for the following capital ship classes:
Support Class (26m - 100m)
Corvette Class (101m - 250m)
Frigate Class (251m - 400m)
Cruiser Class (401m - 600m)
Star Frigate Class (601m - 900m)
Light Star Destroyer Class (901m - 1300m)
Star Destroyer Class (1301m - 1800m)
Heavy Star Destroyer Class (1801m - 4000m)
Light Star Cruiser Class (4001m - 6000m)
Star Cruiser Class (6001m - 8000m)
Heavy Star Cruiser Class (8001m - 12000m)
Star Dreadnought Class (12001m - 16000m)
Star Battleship Class (16001m - 20000m)

The max limits set here would apply to both CANON and CUSTOM ships. Meaning that if a ship from either origin listed itself as being able to hold more than these limits, they would be handicapped down to the max. I'm hoping to have a look through various designs and take a crack at some suggestions soon. But in the meantime, any ideas are welcome.

Agreed here.
If it's canon ships, I can sorta understand that there are extremes and dedicated carrier ships should benefit from the rules as well.

However, a cap would be appreciated so I know what would actually be okay. Currently designing a Heavy Stardestroyer for my faction, which will be a carrier-type of ship.
Given an earlier draft, I would have assumed 244 fighters would be fine for it, the Resurgent-II for example which was recently submitted has 288 starfighters aboard (not blaming anyone here, it's still fine from my point of view). 
I mean, I could go into the same category and probably even for a higher count, yet I'm not sure what's a fair ammount of star fighters on such a vessel.
Is 288 starfighters alright?
Because that would be for example the carrying capacity of two Home One MC-cruisers, which are together 128 points, thus making for example a 288 starfighter carrier with 1-2 additional features for the prize of speed, weaponry and agility perhaps fair and balanced, if someone prefers a 256 point fleet. But at the same time 288 starfighters on a larger carrier still feel cheesy and perhaps even too strong...

thus a cap would be helpful for me as a player and designer to estimate, what is considered fair by the rest of the player base.
I don't want to submit something, where I have the feeling that people could think of it as cheesy, too overpowered or as "the perfect ship", because with every strength comes in some area a weakpoint.
Hope that's reasonable as I'm also quite glad that people here are helpful as well, when it comes to ship submissions and critique also helps me to flesh out most ships in a good way.

I think the best way to start things off is look at each class and find the ships with the largest carrier capacity. From there, determine max limit. Based off the classes:

Support Class (26m - 100m) - ???
Corvette Class (101m - 250m) - Praetorian and Enshado (12)
Frigate Class (251m - 400m) - Liberator (72) (DUH)
Cruiser Class (401m - 600m) - Valor (150)
Star Frigate Class (601m - 900m) - Maxima A (216), Chiss Dominion Carrier (240), Cargador (288)
Light Star Destroyer Class (901m - 1300m) - MC80 (120), Endurance (canon, not custom) (204), Providence (240), Venator (420)
Star Destroyer Class (1301m - 1800m) - Kandosii and MC95c (120 and 128)
Heavy Star Destroyer Class (1801m - 4000m) - Dark Horizon and Resurgent II (288) and Lucrehulk (1,500)
Light Star Cruiser Class (4001m - 6000m) - Subjugator (192)
Star Cruiser Class (6001m - 8000m) - Super-class and Mandator IV (144)
Heavy Star Cruiser Class (8001m - 12000m) - Koros-Strohna (400)
Star Dreadnought Class (12001m - 16000m) - Sovereign (480)
Star Battleship Class (16001m - 20000m) - Executor (1,000)

Some Notes
Supports, I couldn't find anything
Corvettes, I skimmed so may have missed something
Runner-ups to Frigate are Corona (36)
Runner-ups to Cruiser are Vindicator (up to 72), Pegasus (60), and Serratus (48)
Runner-ups to Star Frigate are Amarth (96) and Harrower (127)
Runner-ups to Light Star Destroyer are mostly in the 96 range
Majority of the Star Destroyer Class are 72 starfighters

This is pretty much 99% done

If you count Corvettes like the CR90's carrier variant, I believe we push past the 12 starfighters. Also, craft like the Gozanti can carry up to four for the support class. Also, the Venator's full capacity surpasses those listed for Light Star Destroyer with 420.