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Post by Omegon on Nov 29, 2020 6:37:14 GMT -8
Hello friends.
I do not wish this to become an argument about a potential arms race, as had happened in the (very) distant past. I think i've solved that issue. Hear me out.
What i would ask for is for basic customisation to be allowed within the databank.
Reason : Purely for allowing players to express their creativity.
The general rule that I would apply here is;
You cannot create technology that does not exist in Star Wars Legends as accepted by current JvS rules. Any custom creations cannot exceed the effect or effectiveness of existing technology.
This would allow people to create their own versions of blasters, speeders, fighters, even spaceships, without creating an arms race, as the existing accepted site canon is a set limit.
For example.
Player wants to create starfighter. Current databank process still applies except;
The custom fighter cannot be faster than the fastest canon fighter, nor tougher than the toughest canon example, nor be more heavily armed, or more maneuverable.
The process is the same for whatever you want to create. You still cannot create Vong things unless you are a Vong, etc.
This would, I hope. make the process no more difficult for the Databank operation.
Should those hardworking individuals fear a flood of submissions, i offer the following;
Creations can be used immediately, unless an objection is raised by another player or Databank operator, in which case they must wait for approval before use.
Thankyou for your attention. I don't know if I have explained this very well, so poke me if questions.
Also throw in ideas to develop the idea. (Unless the Whills say hard no, in which case I will crawl back to the beskar mines and thank them for their valuable time.)
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Post by Zion Morviael [RETIRED] on Nov 29, 2020 7:09:14 GMT -8
Could you perhaps elaborate a bit further upon what you’re asking here?
As it stands, the Databank already allows the creation of Custom ships (using canon technology) both for individuals or entire ship lines. The same can be done for Space Stations.
Is it more, in essence, you can use an image for a gun but claim it’s only as powerful as a Stormtrooper Blaster Rifle? Or provide a custom aesthetic for armour, it is once again only as powerful as Stromtrooper Armour?
Because the rules already permit for aesthetic liberties to be taken in some of those departments, as long as you make clear “this is my factions version of <insert canon rifle name here>”
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Post by Kaine Australis on Nov 29, 2020 7:34:23 GMT -8
There are a lot of things that don't fall into the Ships or Stations categories such as; Ground vehicles, Personal Weapons, Artifacts.
Examples would be to allow for people to create their own range of weapons if they want to RP an arms company, or just have their own lightsaber with a personal spin on it.
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Post by Whill Shaman Dažbog on Nov 29, 2020 8:22:04 GMT -8
I believe a discussion has opened within the DO about the inclusion of Ground Vehicles into the Databank, though this discussion has not yet made it to the Whills for approval. I can neither confirm or deny whether it will be approved or not, but it is something that we may be taking a look at in the future.
Regarding arms companies; the current business regulations are slightly outdated, but follow them for now until an announcement is made about them being updated. The current rules state that you may create non-canon products of a canon business.
For weapons: as Zion pointed out, liberties may be taken for the some individuality and custom look to fit your aesthetic, with wiggle room for personal customization. For instance, you could add a canon grenade launcher onto a canon blaster and use a non-canon picture from another source to depict this. This would create a non-canon item using canon products, noting back to the non-canon products rule in the Business rules. This is acceptable on a small scale.
Personalized lightsabers have never been entirely restricted, though there are a number of crystals that have long been banned (see General Tech Rules link below). It's just best to go into detail with the specifics of any customized-canon personal weapons/armor on your profile or in your character's Personal Databank thread.
With artifacts, I'll refer you to theGeneral Technology Rules and Miscellaneous Rules of Note. At the bottom there is a section about Unique (i.e. canon) artifacts in Open RP. That whole rule post can be used as a guideline for what is and is not acceptable. This does not restrict the creation for interesting non-canon artifacts for the sake of story, or canon artifact use in Closed RP or the JotW. What is Star Wars without its cool mystical treasures that have the potential to unbalance power of the squabbling factions?
While artifacts may be created, it is best practice not to create "an all powerful artifact that allows you to do all the things."
As with anything, if we believe there is any abuse or advantage being taken of the leeway that is given with these rules, the Whill Council will step in.
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Post by Kaine Australis on Nov 29, 2020 8:27:28 GMT -8
I believe a discussion has opened within the DO about the inclusion of Ground Vehicles into the Databank, though this discussion has not yet made it to the Whills for approval. I can neither confirm or deny whether it will be approved or not, but it is something that we may be taking a look at in the future.
Regarding arms companies; the current business regulations are slightly outdated, but follow them for now until an announcement is made about them being updated. The current rules state that you may create non-canon products of a canon business.
For weapons: as Zion pointed out, liberties may be taken for the some individuality and custom look to fit your aesthetic, with wiggle room for personal customization. For instance, you could add a canon grenade launcher onto a canon blaster and use a non-canon picture from another source to depict this. This would create a non-canon item using canon products, noting back to the non-canon products rule in the Business rules. This is acceptable on a small scale.
Personalized lightsabers have never been entirely restricted, though there are a number of crystals that have long been banned (see General Tech Rules link below). It's just best to go into detail with the specifics of any customized-canon personal weapons/armor on your profile or in your character's Personal Databank thread.
With artifacts, I'll refer you to theGeneral Technology Rules and Miscellaneous Rules of Note. At the bottom there is a section about Unique (i.e. canon) artifacts in Open RP. That whole rule post can be used as a guideline for what is and is not acceptable. This does not restrict the creation for interesting non-canon artifacts for the sake of story, or canon artifact use in Closed RP or the JotW. What is Star Wars without its cool mystical treasures that have the potential to unbalance power of the squabbling factions?
While artifacts may be created, it is best practice not to create "an all powerful artifact that allows you to do all the things."
As with anything, if we believe there is any abuse or advantage being taken of the leeway that is given with these rules, the Whill Council will step in. Exciting news!! Personal Databanks sound like the way to go. Thankyou!!! |
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Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Nov 29, 2020 9:58:14 GMT -8
To expand upon what Dazbog said, we are looking into expanding the databank into ground vehicles in the near future. It will be the last category to be added likely. Our philosophy with the Databank is to give rosters of ships, starfighters, and ground vehicles the means to expand, have variety, and thus become versatile. If one was to compare the Imperial and Mandalorian roster, there is definitely a situation of being outgunned by the variety and amount of vehicles that one has over the other. Hence, the Databank came into existence.
However, we will likely not go into customized weapons and armor. Dazbog went over the JvS rules well of 'soft' modifications, reskins, and a little tweaking here and there as long as it is within reasonable limits and obeys the rules of the site. Another present, Kainan Wolfe, asked the same questions about customized armor and weapons and was given the same answers. The general feeling, in terms of those two categories, is that opening that to the custom field would likely lead to another PO and arms race which is what we do not want.
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Post by Kaine Australis on Nov 29, 2020 10:44:24 GMT -8
. The general feeling, in terms of those two categories, is that opening that to the custom field would likely lead to another PO and arms race which is what we do not want. Going back to the OP. Hello friends. You cannot create technology that does not exist in Star Wars Legends as accepted by current JvS rules. Any custom creations cannot exceed the effect or effectiveness of existing technology.Creations can be used immediately, unless an objection is raised by another player or Databank operator, in which case they must wait for approval before use.I would think given the current maturity of the community and the oversight of the playerbase who will be involved with anyone using these, an arms race is neither likely nor probable. Anything that does come up that's questionable can be questioned. I think this minimises the chance of any harm, while potentially creating an avenue for players to interact creatively. Kainan Wolfe is an excellent all around fellow, and much smarter than me. He's a wonderful talent who has made some amazingly creative things i've had the privilege to see over the years. I am happy to add my voice to whatever he is asking for. |
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Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Nov 29, 2020 11:28:40 GMT -8
His customization was more or less cosmetic. This armor a reskin of this SW armor and this weapon being a reskin of that canon weapon. It was resolved in accordance with what Daz mentioned above and resolved easily. It wasn’t anything big that required much to explain beyond just keep with SW canon tech and no R&D.
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Post by Prophet C'thyl on Nov 29, 2020 12:30:15 GMT -8
So far I would be thankful if we get a database in terms of ground vehicles + alligned aircraft, which falls into this category, as it would not solely be benefitial towards the Quarren Dominion's attempts to form up a unique military force, which has its own faction identity reflected within unique vehicles of a similiar theme. I know that there are efforts to implement it, but would like to express my gratitude if the database gets expanded on ground vehicles. Other than that though I agree with Nic and Dazbog when it comes to other technology and smaller stuff like armour and weapons. If there's already quite enough in Star Wars then it is definitly weapons and armor types. I don't necessarily think we need more on that regard + customization there is the easiest part as explained before. |
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Post by Kaine Australis on Nov 30, 2020 3:47:13 GMT -8
Vehicles would be nice. I wasn't aware of the Personal Databanks before Daz mentioned them, that helps a lot.  |
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Post by Prophet C'thyl on Nov 30, 2020 5:03:40 GMT -8
Vehicles would be nice. I wasn't aware of the Personal Databanks before Daz mentioned them, that helps a lot. No problem. It's a more recent thing that was created, so no worries. |
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