Jedi/Mando conflict, take two-Roll call

Because that is the nature of the RP. Its things like this that Im talking about....collaboration. You are still stuck in a bad mentality....one of 'Ooo, Ima take it, its MINE!!!"

Not what we should be doing.

When Rob came up with this, he explained it as the site being collaborative writers, not conquerors. He approached it as I am. Im not saying we dont fight for it, at all....Im saying that just because you have an all-powerful shard, or YVH, or a superweapon, that doesnt mean you cant work with the other writers to make it a great story, rather than just outwriting someone to embarrass them, or take what is theirs. Its true, not all of us can out-write the others...but if we are willing to compromise, and maybe work with them without trying to act like you are by being all high-and-mighty, maybe people wouldnt be so damn closed-minded about getting into big storylines like this. This -isnt- real war, Goran. This is a storywriting RP site. If you want that kind of mentality, I can take my team that I have on Carida, and come kick some ass on Yavin to rid the Jedi once and for all of this crap. However, Im not....Im planning to try and collaborate with everyone. Are you seriously that driven to win and keep what you take that you cant collaborate? I never took you as that kind of person....nor the people you work with for that matter. Ive always found you to be a fantastic person to work with, and compromise with as well.

Its the mentality that you are presenting that has caused the closed-up minds and planets that are so prevalent on JvS. No one wants to leave their little 'nook' or corner of the universe for fear of being slammed by someone that doesnt want to collaborate/compromise. Id like to see that change.

Personally I'm suddenly annoyed with all y'all. So what if you loose a planet or ten? Even if there is no plan to return everything to the original owners. Take a glance around people, there are a glut of unused planets on the boards right now. The only thing that would happen if you permanently lost a planet would be that you have to look through a stack of others to find one to your liking & move in.

Just so y'all know I'm not just talk. If Geonosis gets invaded. If Geonosis falls to the jedi. I will not be expecting to regain control of it unless one of my characters retakes it by force (or through an epic SL). If Geonosis falls & isn't retaken (for whatever reason), then I will just move the admiral's 'home base' to another planet ... maybe the Tingel Arm.

Your accusations are categorically false. This isn't greed, this isn't about collecting as many toys as possible. There are literally dozens if unoccupied planets that anyone could claim if they wanted.

This is about having purpose and meaning behind what has otherwise been a stale and useless exercise in futility. What IC motivation would anyone have to give up gains taken from the enemy? What's the point if going to war in the first place if you're just going to preserve the status quo?

You'll note that I've done nothing more than present legitimate issues, while your response has been to impugn my character and motivations. I'll thank you to check that shit in the future.

Edit: Because others posted.

Well, Rob and Andi, when they started this idea up, when Rob came up with it in the first place, decided they wanted collaboration, and nothing forced on anyone like the loss of their world, unless they wanted and accepted it.

You might think it leads to stagnation, and people sitting in their little corners, but I've RP'd in more of the Galaxy, written with more people, seen more excellent RP, and seen much, much better standards and attitudes and fun all around under this style of RP than under anything else. Adi's got it spot on - before, the site had two groups of people who were really at opposite ends of the spectrum - those who really hated (and I mean hated) the inherent OOC conflict involved in competitive play, and those that got their jollies out of taking other player's worlds, possessions, and character's lives. There were a lot of people who fell in between, of course, or were motivated by other reasons, but the two ends of those ranges were incompatible. Those who enjoyed the competitive side invariably ended up, sooner or later, aggressively ruining someone else's enjoyment to have theirs, and... that's not ok. Sorry, but it's not. Every battle I took part in under those circumstances ended not with IC victory or defeat... but OOC bitching, which ultimately was more of a decider than anything anyone did IC. More or less without fail. It didn't lead to full on wars that this universe is meant to embody. It also wasn't realistic. It was just a lot of pissing contests, arguments, and I actually never had very much fun - nor, really, did anyone I know from JvS.

This keeps all that out of the picture. If someone who DOES enjoy that kind of RP wants to put their world up for that kind of open slugfest, then they can set up their own rules, and their own RP for it, and go hell for leather, and good luck to them. But it's much more fun to actually avoid all the OOC fighting, and the easiest way to do that is set up some end points, some agreed factors, and enjoy the freedom that that stability allows. The stories are better, the outcomes are better, the whole thing is better.

And, as Adi pointed out, if the Mandos had just gone at it on competitive play, they'd not have taken Yavin - we halved our military strength for this battle, by conveniently putting our most powerful ship, and half of another fleet, out of range, and letting our battlestation be disabled before the fight had even begun. The Mandos still started the fight technically outgunned by Yavin's defenders - , they'd not have had enough forces left alive after Yavin to attack another world, and we wouldn't even be discussing an epic, site-wide RP at all. It would have been one fight which would have been important only to those that took part and had no importance to anyone anywhere else.

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As for Ossus - for the storyline of this War, anything less than Mandalorian victory doesn't work. Yavin is a siege because it's to tell a specific story - and because Yavin being a constant battlefield, rather than just one battle and then Mando victory and then maybe later another battle, gives both the planet and the war a constant pulse of fighting somewhere. Yavin's purpose is, to use a WWII metaphor, to be something akin to Britain - with Yavin Station and open orbit, occupied by the Mandos, as, say, Normandy. Mando blitzkrieg keeps Yavin constantly under pressure, the whole team gets wearied, that one little group standing up to the war machine and refusing to back down, even when stretched to breaking point. Eventually, it's the help from the Republic's forces - the US, to use the metaphor - that helps push the Mandos back from threatening to crush Yavin under heel.

But the Mandos need to be seen to be more threatening still. More dangerous. Whereever they strike next needs to be a win for them. If Ossus isn't up for that, then Ossus can't be the target - but it is the one that makes the most sense. We need a France. Somewhere very close to Mando space that is going to be occupied, maybe becoming the heart of an underground resistance, and that will be liberated, but is going to go through some suffering first under Mando rule.

Backs slowly away from the madness.

You know what I'm about. You know that I write collaboratively and collaboratively only, even in the GBA. I have a plan of how things are gonna go and have worked it out with Dave and Rob. I have my own way of achieving the ends that we roughed in and am collaborating with wherever I've been generously invited to RP. I'm RPing on every side of this endeavor and have no vested interests in the outcome one way or the other. I only want to see good story and good writing. I'm happy to facilitate anything anywhere in this for the benefit of the story. I will kill off characters, loose planets, decimate fleets, wear womens underwear, whatever it takes but I will NOT be drawn into OOC bullshit.

With that in mind I am formally withdrawing from this OOC discussion as it has disheartened me greatly. I was going to withdraw from the RP entirely but consider that a selfish thing to do at this stage. Its gone too far for me to turn my back on it... yet.

The people I need to collaborate with can reach me via PM, FB, Skype, Chat... depending on who you are.

Enjoy.

There's plenty of space in this RP for battles that involve exactly that, once the war is in full swing and the Republic and Mandos are fighting on a dozen fronts - and, in fact, I actively encourage it -, but this RP isn't about individual battles. We're trying to get away from the old, frankly lacklustre RP 'wars' where there is one or two battles and then nothing ever happens ever again, which means that there needs to be a clearer, more organised story thread running throughout this war's heart. An overall arc, a progression in the storytelling that makes it gripping and suitably dramatic. This can't be achieved in open play without clear steps along the way, believe me, I've tried. This next battle is too important for the overall arc, in establishing the balance of power, and the fact that other stories are already being started set afterwards, in direct response, none the less, means the ending needs a plan.

. . .can I at least get a PM to talk about the successful bockade run on Yavin and possibly helping defending Ossus?

Ashrah and Corr: I apologize if my comments to Adi derailed the thread. I didn't think they would be so controversial.

Don't take this the wrong way, but you're an idiot.