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Post by The Grey Knight on Nov 11, 2013 11:55:33 GMT -8
I'm looking to work with some people to create a Grey Jedi Order. While this will be a separate entity from the regular Jedi Order, it would only be natural that we try to work with them, as we all fight and strive for the same goals. However, it is clear that Grey Jedi sometimes differ in insights and opinions from those in the Jedi Order.
So... Are there any out there who consider themselves to be Grey Jedi, and would be interested in this?
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Post by Alpharius on Nov 11, 2013 12:19:40 GMT -8
Why not just be a part of the Jedi Order, but not operate within the strictures of the Jedi code and distance yourself from the high council? It would be more in tune with what the Grey Jedi actually are, rather than becoming a separate entity entirely. As well the bonuses of that would be having a bountiful supply of people to write with.
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Post by The Grey Knight on Nov 11, 2013 12:50:04 GMT -8
What I am hoping for is to have the separate usergroup so that we can stand out from the Jedi Order, not get lost in the numbers. I have absolutely nothing against the Jedi Order, and I am more than willing to work with them and I hope to do that in the future.
However, I want Grey Jedi to be what they are, in a united group of Grey Jedi working with the Jedi as a sister Order, not a group of Grey Jedi writers that have been enveloped into a bigger umbrella.
If the Grey Jedi have a tendency to operate outside of the restrictions of the Jedi Order, it wouldn't make sense for them to continue to test the boundaries of those rules. Instead, we would distance ourselves from the High Council by creating our own rules instead of putting unnecessary stress on the ones the Jedi Order have in place.
I do want to stress, however, that we would not be competing with the Jedi Order. I want the Grey Jedi Order to be open to and encouraged to write with anyone else, especially the members of the Jedi Order.
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Post by Aerandir Calmcacil on Nov 11, 2013 14:24:07 GMT -8
Gray Jedi creating an "Order" seems to entirely defeat the purpose of being a Gray Jedi. Besides, not all Gray Jedi are gonna have the exact same views and outlooks, so there'd just be even more conflict if they tried creating their own order; no consistency, no complete agreement on philosophy, it would just be a mess. If your character's Gray, just say so on your profile, put something in your affiliation field so it shows up on every post, or even your signature. It just wouldn't make sense for Gray Jedi to have an order.
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Post by Kel'Al Raganella on Nov 11, 2013 14:53:43 GMT -8
Creating an OOC usergroup for Greys within the Jedi Order makes some sense to me, but I agree with Aerandir, I don't think grey Jedi would create anything IC as formal as their own Order or leadership structure. The greys we see in Canon worked within the Jedi Order. You might want to think about creating some sort of loose alliance of greys within the Jedi Order instead.
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Post by The Grey Knight on Nov 11, 2013 15:34:10 GMT -8
In canon, there are many instances of Grey Jedi that aren't members of the Jedi Order, and practice outside of the Jedi Order's jurisdiction, while still holding the same philosophies of the Force that normal Jedi do.
On top of that, it is well known in canon that very rarely if ever have there been Grey Jedi that become members of the Jedi Council, and the actions of Grey Jedi are sometimes frowned upon by normal Jedi and the Jedi Council.
If, as Alpharius put it, Grey Jedi should just "be part of the Jedi Order but not operate within the strictures of the Jedi code and distance yourself from the high council"... What would be the point? Why would Grey Jedi stay in a group and yet operate outside of its rules and disobey the orders of its commanding authority?
I'm not asking for Jedi writers to give permission to allow a Grey Jedi Order to be created. I am looking for other Grey Jedi who are open to banding together, and discussing their mentalities of the Force to try and find a consensus to bond together, while not being restricted by the rules that everyone seems hell bent on forcing us to follow.
I am looking for Grey Jedi writers who are interested in building on this idea, not for other people who are trying to destroy it before it has a chance to become something. I would appreciate it if anyone had any interest or ideas for building a Grey Jedi Order instead of trying to stop it in its tracks.
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Post by Eli Vandal on Nov 11, 2013 16:09:29 GMT -8
History would suggest that even the definition of a gray jedi is fluid, meaning one thing at a certain time and one thing at another. For the evidence provided about merely being a part of the Jedi Order and not following the code strictly, there is evidence suggesting that the Gray Jedi were separate from the Jedi Order altogether. Just look at the Gray Paladins, who separated themselves from the Jedi Order because they felt the use of blasters was appropriate.
Just because we think something, doesn't mean that it's right. And just as we are allowed creative interpretation of Star Wars, in everything we do and in the stories we write, so should everyone else, even if it goes against the truths we have formed from the implications of our interpretation.
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Post by Nase Talsey on Nov 11, 2013 16:19:13 GMT -8
If you're looking for likeminded individuals the Order of Imperial Knights is canonically and on JVS an order of Grey Jedi by definition, though they directly serve a government. They might be worth looking into but if you're going to form your own cadre of jedi who follow a different set of ideals more power to you.
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Post by Zion Morviael [RETIRED] on Nov 11, 2013 16:41:26 GMT -8
Well I'm totally up for supporting this idea. A Grey Jedi order seems like a pretty awesome idea, especially since I'm leaning Honoghr Temple more towards Grey Jedi than regular Jedi.
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Post by Devlin Dewe on Nov 11, 2013 17:18:20 GMT -8
Permission granted, j/k. If you're looking for other Grey Jedi, Jaecyn Riddick has been RPing a Grey Jedi on Ossus for quite a while. Just FYI. Might be a plan to contact him and see if you two can team up for some Grey Jedi mischief ... or whatever it is Grey Jedi do outside the strictures of the Jedi Order/Council/Group/Thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2013 17:41:56 GMT -8
Monte will be working as a "grey" jedi... but he will consider himself firmly a Jedi who is of the order as opposed some other entity.
still i will be happy to work with you
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Post by The Grey Knight on Nov 13, 2013 9:41:04 GMT -8
What I would like to see is anyone who is interested AND willing to join the Grey Jedi Order AND default their profile to the Order usergroup, please put your name down on the following list. Also, if you know of anyone else who might be interested, please spread the word. I want to get a fair idea of who would be interested over the course of the next couple weeks.
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Post by Kel'Al Raganella on Nov 13, 2013 12:43:07 GMT -8
The Corellian Jedi Academy has always had a bit of a Grey/independent streak, but we now do so while operating within the Jedi Order at large.
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Post by Ander Tagira on Nov 13, 2013 15:50:12 GMT -8
Aer: I wouldn't say that there is no legitimacy in creating a Grey Jedi "Order." If differing views and convoluted politics should bar the Grey Jedi from organizing into an Order, then ALL Force Using organizations should dismantle themselves. Such things are natural and expected. Differing views, both IC and OOC are a boon to writing here. They promote better ideas, RP and keep dialogue interesting on a variety of levels.
There's nothing established in canon that says a Grey Jedi Order is a baseless idea, or that Grey Jedi, by their nature, do not organize. There was never an established Order for the Grey Jedi in canon, true, but again: There's nothing to say it would be "senseless."
Grey Knight: I do want to offer myself and my organization as fellow writers to you and whoever you're able to organize for your Order. While I personally am not actively pursuing RP with a Force Using PC, our organization does walk that neutral line of moderation between the two extremes of Jedi and Sith, and we not only contain characters that ARE Force Users of some kind, but many potential Force Sensitives that could be used to link our two organizations together in RP.
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Post by Adi on Nov 13, 2013 17:25:45 GMT -8
I gotta say something about this. Canonically, Grays were like Qui-Gon...Still Jedi, but sometimes vary in opinion. To 'stand out' from the Jedi Order seems a little...uncharacteristic of a Jedi, even a gray....if you ask me. Grey Knight, your idea is sound, and has good intentions, but there is already a Gray order to be had. "Gray" Jedi arent the ones that use dark powers, or do things that would make them darksiders....They just have varying opinions from the Council.
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Post by Nase Talsey on Nov 13, 2013 17:50:43 GMT -8
History would suggest that even the definition of a gray jedi is fluid, meaning one thing at a certain time and one thing at another. For the evidence provided about merely being a part of the Jedi Order and not following the code strictly, there is evidence suggesting that the Gray Jedi were separate from the Jedi Order altogether. Just look at the Gray Paladins, who separated themselves from the Jedi Order because they felt the use of blasters was appropriate. Just because we think something, doesn't mean that it's right. And just as we are allowed creative interpretation of Star Wars, in everything we do and in the stories we write, so should everyone else, even if it goes against the truths we have formed from the implications of our interpretation. I'd like to quote Eli on this and bring special attention to the part where he says "Just because we think something doesn't mean that it's right." and the following statements, JVS is a star wars RP site where we used to have a lot of creative freedom to create our own galaxy and make our own characters. I would hate to think that we are developing an "establishment" that can monopolize interpretations of the star wars universe Also as for Grey jedi being an "order" check out the Grey Paladins or the Imperial Knights or the Jal Shey or the Matukai… All of which are unaffiliated with the mainstream jedi |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 20:30:30 GMT -8
I just hope that a repeat of Lone Wolf doesn't happen. You know, getting stabbed in the chest, jumping out an airlock WITHOUT a pressurized suit and not freezing to death, NOT burning up in re-entry and surviving the crash landing on Tattooine without so much as a scratch. That sort of thing.
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Post by Horan Cold on Nov 16, 2013 12:45:41 GMT -8
If creating a Grey Jedi Order wouldn't make sense, the usergroup doesn't need to be an 'order'. Perhaps the group can be created as a sub-group of the Jedi Order, but actually created as a user group. I think having some sort of a sense of being official would create more interest in role playing as a Grey Jedi.
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Post by The Grey Knight on Nov 18, 2013 11:43:28 GMT -8
I gotta say something about this. Canonically, Grays were like Qui-Gon...Still Jedi, but sometimes vary in opinion. To 'stand out' from the Jedi Order seems a little...uncharacteristic of a Jedi, even a gray....if you ask me. Grey Knight, your idea is sound, and has good intentions, but there is already a Gray order to be had. "Gray" Jedi arent the ones that use dark powers, or do things that would make them darksiders....They just have varying opinions from the Council. Jedi Matango, I am quite certain what it means to be a Grey Jedi, and I am aware that that does not mean a Jedi that uses Dark Side powers. It is a shame that you would jump to such a conclusion so quickly about a character that you know nothing about, especially given your... Dark Side tendencies. Again, I want to reiterate that the reason for this thread is not for people to tell me why JvS can't or shouldn't have a Grey Jedi Order. If I wanted to be a Grey Jedi member of the Jedi Order, I would be a Grey Jedi member of the Jedi Order. As it stands, I want to be a Grey Jedi member of a Grey Jedi Order, and that is what I plan to do. This thread is for any writers who share the idea, and want to be a part of it. It saddens me to see that so many Jedi are quick to respond to this thread in the same manner that has created such an exclusionary view of the Jedi Order lately. It seems as though anyone who is not willing to conform to their idea of what it means to be a Jedi is simply ignored or potentially dissuaded. I would have hoped that one of the largest groups on the site would be more willing to allow other people to have their own ideas of what it means to be part of this universe, but I guess if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2013 12:03:38 GMT -8
Maybe I'm a little old fashioned, but if the dude wants to create an order separate from the Jedi, then that should imply that the Jedi can get bent if they don't like the idea.
I'm debating starting up a Jedi-ish character here soon. Might send it your way.
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