|
Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Oct 6, 2023 21:40:43 GMT -8
Approved!
Is this to be a closed submission or for all to use?
|
|
|
Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Aug 11, 2023 6:15:40 GMT -8
No problem. My weekend was busy. 14 hours on Saturday then an air show on Sunday and a dinner to go to. Got to see some pretty birds but not all the birds I hoped. Nor did all the birds that were there dance like they could. But it was fun to feel the thunder of raw power shaking the whole body Gave you a picture of Brentaal IV's situation. Which is a very similar situation across all of the Core territories of the Empire.
|
|
|
Cormond
Aug 11, 2023 6:14:44 GMT -8
Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Aug 11, 2023 6:14:44 GMT -8
With the onset of the Third Imperial Civil War, Brentaal IV became a fierce battleground between Royalist and Pretender forces of the once united resurgent Empire. On the Royalist side, although they were tenacious, most of their ranks had young recruits and a few seasoned officers. Their overall commander was General Ordenu, a Near-Human Arkanian graduate of the Corulag Academy. He had served in the Imperial Army for a handful of years and only attained the rank of General, by his own men, when the system erupted into chaos at the news of Baltasar's seizure of the throne.
His contender, the commander of the pretender's troops, was the veteran Caster Krannurak, General of the 503rd Legion, which was stationed on Brentaal at the time of the seizure. Caster was among the most elite of the late Emperor's generals and had served long under Grand Marshal, now Emperor, Baltasar Delvardus. The Silver Seraphs, as the 503rd went by these days, were formed at the dawn of the First Order and seen many battlefields across the stars as the Empire resurged. He was a cautious commander however, one that was meticulous and resourceful. This was a double-edged sword, of course, as being too meticulous could result in conflicting orders. Krannurak wasn't a young man anymore, but still had respect and experience that ensured the 503rds continued struggle against Ordenu, even at the expense of losses during the ongoing conflict.
Cormond was quite the divided battlefield, forcing both sides to utilize their headquarters, outside of the capital, to command their troops from. Krannurak had command over the Imperial fort that was twenty miles away while Ordenu had command of the spaceport, which gave him a bit more of an advantage. In space though, the defending fleet was divided as several Star Destroyers collided with one another. This was the very same picture that was across much of Core territories of the Empire now.
|
|
|
Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Aug 5, 2023 23:08:34 GMT -8
Greetings and welcome back to JvS! So, as of right now, there is one faction that Sith aligned and that is the Sith Eternal. Headquartered at Roon and holding several worlds, it is utilizing the faรงade of Imperial warlords to expand and grow within the far reaches of the Outer Rim. I am one of the writers as Darth Xitan who first conceived the idea as a background for my character before it exploded into an actual faction/usergroup. We do have quite the good group of characters! Especially a certain saurian named Dragus . We certainly would be welcoming to any Dark Sider, especially Sith. Got plenty of plans on the roll with the biggest being a change in leadership from the current NPC, a shadowy individual named the Supreme Leader to a PC leader taking the same title and ensuring a new era for the Sith. We could work on something that involves a cult she is a part of and help bring her into the fold of the Sith Eternal somehow. We do have... a couple plans that could work as we are eyeing a couple other worlds, otherwise, we can make up something new entirely!
|
|
|
Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Aug 3, 2023 17:07:40 GMT -8
So by the looks of things, you can do what the two aforementioned entries do of having an extended shield range and/or redundant shields to have the added effected of a 'shield dome' which could provide additional cover for smaller ships. I don't think we have anything where it specifically targets a vessel, but it's still a good alternative.
|
|
|
Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Aug 3, 2023 17:05:23 GMT -8
I will give this my approval!
I will let my colleagues review and see if they want to add anything else or give the second approval.
|
|
|
Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Aug 2, 2023 11:48:06 GMT -8
Everything looks good... Oh! How many troops does it carry? Star Frigates can carry 400 troops before a point is needed. Since you put one there, the entry should include how many troops it carries.
|
|
|
Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Aug 2, 2023 6:38:42 GMT -8
Yep, those are good replacements. Those have been used in large quantities in other submissions.
One wording I am wondering about are these Plasma Torpedo Cannon Turrets. Wouldn't those be launchers instead?
|
|
|
Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Aug 2, 2023 6:35:55 GMT -8
You are not sleep deprived, I checked myself and didn't see it. Are you sure you meant the MC-95, Zion?
|
|
|
Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Aug 1, 2023 22:02:34 GMT -8
I honestly can't think of one myself. I only think of the Death Star II and it's planetary-based shield. Probably why the set up for both the Jedi Defender and Star City had the extended range added with the redundant shields to help protect a dome of extra shielding. Upside is that you get your effect, but downside is that ships would need to be within the bubble and thus clustered together. It would allow for better concentration of firepower with such a testudo style of shielding.
|
|
|
Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Aug 1, 2023 21:33:27 GMT -8
We did make a judgment here about planetary weapons. Our stance is, as stated before, if it is only ground-base, it is thus. If it is space-based only, it is thus. It makes things easier to be clarified as such. The technology is canon, but unless there is a specific example where a projected shield is released by a ship to cover another ship, it is not approved. The issue that could be viewed here is that this technology was R&D from a ground-based example, which the Databank does not allow as when it was being conceived and approved, the Whills did not want R&D to be an element.
|
|
|
Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Aug 1, 2023 21:09:16 GMT -8
23. Another old ruling that I forgot to post up: Given submissions that have happened here and here, it was agreed upon July 6, 2022 that Mass Drive Cannons will require a Special Gear point usage. This is namely due to the lore showing rarity among starships, their power drain on vessel, and how they weren't practical in their usage. How many can be used on a vessel will be up to discussion between the submitter and the Databank Operators in terms of what is agreeable. However, we do advise keeping the number to a bare minimal since lore examples show no more than a few within a vessel's armament.
24. Another old judgment made to be made known: Due a judgment made here, ground-based weapons and technology cannot be used for starship submissions unless there is a lore example showing such a case/scenario. This is namely due to how powerful some of these emplacements were and the different power sources needed to enable their usage.
|
|
|
Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Aug 1, 2023 21:02:24 GMT -8
Just wanted to make that clear! Otherwise, we do have a limit with Mass Drive Cannons. I cannot believe I forgot to put this in our announcement area, but we had a discussion about Mass Drive Cannons and agreed that their usage would require a point in the Special Gear slot. They are never used in large numbers and are rarely used anyways. They are a power drain and not practical from what we understand in the lore. The relevant discussions happened here and here. We did suggest using deck cannons as an alternative, but it was changed to a more appropriate number nonetheless.
|
|
|
Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Aug 1, 2023 20:57:19 GMT -8
Don't need the point for long-ranged weapons. Seeing as we have not had that in other submissions using the long-range turbos. My own submission, here, doesn't have those as points. My only concern then is still the present of two long-ranges for a ship this size. Since even one on an ISD has a noticeable effect on power usage which makes me believe the Hapan Battle Dragons likely only used one with weapon adjustments to ensure there was enough power. Might be best to do one to keep the current weapon set up, while two may require an adjustment to your present set of armaments.
If you think about it, Hapans never needed to upgrade considering they kept their independence well preserved till the YV War happened and things came crashing all over the place. Then with how the GA was the paramount power and leader with technology, gotta keep up with the neighbors. Especially if you plan to join this new faction called the Confederation.
|
|
|
Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Aug 1, 2023 20:52:23 GMT -8
The Aerondel mentions this:
So it is a dome with which it expands to help protect vessels within a certain range/close proximity.
Unfortunately, I do not think we have a ship based example where a shield reaches out and targets a specific vessel to protect. The usage of the ground based variant does explain what you are looking to do, but unless there is a canon/legends example of this happening in space, by a space ship and not a ground based shield, it is not something approved within the Databank. If something is mentioned as ground-based, it is ground-based. If something is mentioned to be space-based, then it is space-based. We do some times have some grey areas, but I do believe this falls into the category of not approved.
|
|
|
Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Aug 1, 2023 20:47:41 GMT -8
I think the original submission does mention the heavier/Leviathan variant in terms of the weaponry. Viox was good at mentioning that.
|
|
|
Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Aug 1, 2023 20:41:58 GMT -8
Hapan Battle Dragons also don't fire as quickly as ISD vessels. Their weapons are slow to recharge and thus they have that the disc that allows for weapons to be rotated, allowing for a more efficient use of firepower. These vessels likely had one on them and they were but a handful. There was probably also weapon compensations in which weaponry was removed in order to better power the long-range variant. Of course, we don't know seeing as we have no examples beyond it being said that some were armed.
Of course though, I will remark back that if this was a sustained turbolaser beam (several seconds in length of time), I don't believe long-range variants do that. They have the longer-range, but still fire as any other turbolaser would. I believe that it was likely something special done to be able to create a turbolaser burst that had a longer range than other weapons at the time, allowing for a precise hit and sustained damage over a period of time. But we will never know that this point if what was used at the Battle of Borleias was that or the beginnings of what become long-range turbolasers. We do mostly utilize Wookieepedia articles given they are easier to access and read for the majority of the community. But of course, if there are disputes, as we did have one over the Liberator-class before, that require more detail, we do try to dive where we can to figure out details and specifics. Wookieepedia is the favored source considering it's ease of access, but that doesn't mean we won't dive deeper when need be.
As the article says that it was a technology developed by the Galactic Alliance at the time of the Second Galactic Civil War, then it is that in terms of those facts. As for what happened at Borleais, we can certainly go either way as their effective arguments for either side. At the end of the day though, we cannot know now with Legends over. A lot of things we now cannot know considering that fact.
Shall we discuss more about your submission since it is changing from canon to custom? Are there any changes you plan to do beyond making it the upgrade from the original piece?
|
|
|
Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Aug 1, 2023 20:33:30 GMT -8
Alright, just so you know, as a rule, if a vessel is an upgrade of a canon/legends vessel (ex: Imperial III and Venator III), then it would be considered an Open Submission as in the whole universe can utilize it. I just wanted to make that clear before moving forward in case you planned for this to be a Closed Submission (i.e. only you and approved people can use it).
|
|
|
Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Aug 1, 2023 20:08:41 GMT -8
The issue though is that we don't allow for ground tech to be used as star vessel compatible. Nor do we allow for shield projectors of larger volumes, such as the planetary mention, to be allowed either. We had a discussion of someone wanting to use the space variant of a ground based ion cannon as a "superweapon" for their submission. It was ruled that ground-based technology was ground-based and couldn't be used in the equivalent fashion in space. And, since we don't have R&D elements for our Databank, unfortunately, it is something that cannot be allowed.Edit: Unless... hold on Edit 2: You mean something like this? Stormborn-class Jedi Star Defender and Aรฉrondel, Halo-class Star CityLook at the tech and explanations. I think using the Mobile Generator was not the right example we needed here. These vessels utilized Redundant Shield Generators and Extended Shielding Range with their Special Gears to ensure they could, at least, protect smaller vessels by doing so. It isn't specific, like the Endor Shield, but it more encompasses a radius from the vessel, not a separate module that can be released/utilized to perform such a job.
|
|
|
Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Aug 1, 2023 19:55:02 GMT -8
I think there is just some misunderstandings from the whole ordeal since it mentions that long-range turbolasers are confirmed to be prototypes by the Second Galactic Civil War era. And the stating in the article about the Long-range Turbolasers that it was "technology was developed by the Galactic Alliance during the Second Galactic Civil War." These specific statements confirm that it was a latter development, not something done during the Yuuzhan Vong War. Considering the evidence of both the project and the facts of long-range turbolasers, I do not think this was an actual weapon used at the Battle of Borleias is the same or rather miswritten as such in comparison to the ones mounted in the Anakin Solo prior to 40 ABY. In terms of this long-range weapon used at the Battle of Borleias, we see no further confirmation of what ship or how this technology was already present/developed given that the actual weapon isn't developed till decades later. In the article for the weapon itself, it doesn't mention testing or that a prototype was fired during the YV War. I also believe that since it mentions that the firing was a turbolaser burst makes me wonder if it was something that they did specifically like... overloading the power for the specific emplacement or doing adjustments that allowed the warship to hit Lah's worldship. And probably, in doing so, made it a long-ranged attack.
|
|